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February 03, 2008

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Francesca

Hello - to hope
Hello - to motivation
Hello - to a new world

Thank you

Flashman

In the kind of cheap-ass identity politics you embrace, Race trumps Gender.

Every time;), baby.

Marky Mark

Very interesting post. Putting it another way, if a woman in the middle of her first term in the Senate were running for President, would she be taken seriously at all? Not a chance.

Watching the debate the other night it seemed beyond clear that Senator Clinton is dramatically more prepared to be President than her opponent. She displayed a complete mastery of all the issues unlike I've seen any other candidate display in any campaign.

arthurdecco

Hilary Clinton is a self-proclaimed war-monger, but gurlz should vote for her because she's a she and understands the issues that concern gurlz?

Fer crissakes, she's to the right of Attila the Hun when it comes to marauding and pillaging!

Did I miss something? ...Or doesn't that stuff matter any more, Antonia?

Have we really slipped so far over the edge into Wonderland - into that claustrophobic tunnel stuffed full to bursting with Alice’s and Rabbits and Madness and the Mad that grow out of getting away with Mass Murder, out of purposefully stripping society of their civil rights and laying the groundwork for a police state? All with the purring acquiescence of your darling - the progressive, feminist Hillary, who only casually resembles the worst of her opponents except in the most fundamental of ways?

Is it a manglish and womanese kinda thing? You know - two phonetically similar dialects with different meanings for same-sounding words and I have it all disastrously wrong?

IMO, the world needs a Hilary Presidency like it needs a quick bout of Black Death. Cripes! She's McCain, only smarter and scarier!

And I haven't even mentioned Bill…

Grandiloquent Bill…

Marsha RayDragan

THANK YOU ANTONIA FOR SHARING THIS ARTICLE!!!!

I printed it and I'm gonna mail it to my mother who lives in Maryland. I think my mom will read it reluctantly (she wants Obama to get the nomination), but then will be nodding her head in agreement in many, many places.

It will really add to the way we discuss this election.

I'm also sending it to all the women I know.

IT'S PERFECT AND SAYS IT ALL, IN MY OPINION.

Marky Mark

The abandonment of Senator Clinton by a good chunk of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is absolutely stunning. I agree that Senator Obama is impressive, especially as a gifted speaker. But he is only half way through his first term in the US Senate. Only three Presidents have come directly from the Senate, the disastrous Warren Harding and JFK. But JFK was not in his first term, and had previously served in the House. He also was a war hero and award winning author. For Senator Obama to be viewed as the heir to JFK, RFK and the lost potential of the 60's is not based in reality. For Senator Clinton to be tarred with the status quo label and equated with Bush is not only ridiculous, but cruel.

Erica Jong had a piece in the Washington Post yesterday which she called "Hillary vs. The Patriarchy"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/03/AR2008020303194.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Perhaps her theory explains how so many people are so enthralled with her opponent who, as of now, when people are voting, is completed and utterly unproven and unprepared. He'd be a great candidate in 2016, perhaps 2012.

Senator Clinton is dramatically more qualified and better prepared for the job. In terms of the substance of the issues, they aren't that far apart except when it comes to universal health care. On that issue, she favours such a system. Obama does not. Yet Ted Kennedy not only endorses him over her, he passes the torch of his slain brothers-for the first time since their assassinations-to him.

It makes no sense.

annemarie

Hey Arthur Decco!
I agree with what you've written. It's sexist, illogical and irrational to favour Hillary Clinton because she's a woman or as in another's words, "because I am".

Furthermore, I don't favour any of the candidates. I also regard the entire political process as being rigged/corrupted. And for that reason alone (were I American) I would not vote. I don't participate in corrupted elections anymore as it would be merely settling for the lesser of all the evils, which still amounts to evil. Non merci!

Not a dime's worth of real, valuable or worthwhile difference between any of the candidates, if you ask me.

arthurdecco

"Not a dime's worth of real, valuable or worthwhile difference between any of the candidates, if you ask me." Posted by annemarie

There certainly isn't any meaningful difference between the candidates still standing, annemarie, although I think there were some credible, alternative candidates in the early days of the scripted circus known as "the American Primary Season". They're all gone now.

Unfortunately, the good guys got left behind by the Myopic Media Juggernaut. No surprise, doanchathink?

Diana Marie

Would never vote for a candidate just because of their sex. In this case I see Sen. Clinton as business as usual in Washington, the establishment candidate with dynastic ambitions - had enough of that with the Bush lot.
The US needs inspiration, to look beyond the chaos of today. I think that's what Sen. Kennedy saw in Sen. Obama and I agree with him 100%. Experience is not everything by a long shot (that's what well-chosen advisors are for), and I definitely believe Obama has the capacity to unite, to seek consensus, and to stay above the fray. There is no question he has lit a fuse under the Democratic-minded youth of America and that has to be good.
However, Clinton may have the edge in the end because of her (and Bill's) vast network, plus the likelihood that Americans may not have the confidence to take a leap of faith and embrace REAL change and vigour.
Having said all that I'm not American and have no vote and am miffed I have to get some sleep before the California vote comes in!
Obama for President....... :)

Chris Moorehead

While I'm salivating at the thought of finally being rid of the Republicans, I remain unconvinced that Hillary Clinton is anything more than a new version of Margaret Thatcher dressed up in slightly more stylish clothing. I keep hearing about her "experience" compared to that of Obama, but what's really the difference? Obama is in the middle of his first Senate term, while Hillary is...close to the end of her first Senate term. Her performance as a Senator has been lacklustre to say the least - she appears to have spent her entire term running for President, and has no significant legislation to her credit.

In addition, we should all be concerned about her apparent attitude towards Canada. She has continued to spout the canard that some of the 9/11 hijackers entered the US from Canada long after it had been discredited, and, when called on it, her response has been "everyone knows that". Even John Ashcroft admitted that this was incorrect within 24 hours of the attack.

What her "experience" really boils down to is...her husband was once President. By this standard, I think I'm going to start practising labour law, since that's what my wife does for a living.

Ironically, the most progressive Democratic candidate originally in the race was the white guy from North Carolina. Unfortunately, John Edwards was overwhelmed by voters who couldn't see beyond race or gender. As a result, the Democratic electorate is polarizing and fracturing, which may allow John McCain to slither up the middle to victory in November.

Marky Mark

Chris,

Senator Clinton was first elected in 2000. She is now in her second term. She has been in the Senate for twice as long as Senator Obama.

In assessing what legislation she has sponsored, to be fair you have to keep in mind that the Republicans have had control of the Senate for most of her tenure and at no point have the Democrats had a working majority. But if you look at her webpage on the US Senate's site, you can look up the bills that she has sponsored and compare and contrast her work in the Senate with that of her opponent.

In any event, nobody is arguing that Senator Obama's record as a Senator is a better record than hers. It's more of a nebulous argument that he represents "change" and she does not. Most people accept that their substantive positions on the issues are very much aligned, with the exception of health care where she favours universal coverage and he does not.

Her record as First Lady (as well as First Lady of Arkansas) is part of her public service as is her other public advocacy work that she has done for a period of over 35 years. (Examples, as First Lady of Arkansas, she chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund. She also led the failed health care reform initiative in Bill Clinton's first term, and wrote a best selling book, "It Takes a Village.")

Of course nobody is required to support her because she is a woman. The question is whether she is judged by the same or by different standards as would be used in judging a man. I think to a certain extent where the rubber hits the road is whether one values her own work and accomplishments or views them as solely derivative of the work done by her husband over the same period. To say that her argument for the Presidency is that her husband was once President (I'd call this argument the "Evita Argument") is not justifiable on the facts. Unlike Eva Peron, Senator Clinton has a real record of public service. In fact, I think that when you compare her record on the merits to that of her opponent, her record is the better record. I accept that if her opponent were different, or if she and her opponent offered stark alternatives on the issues, it is possible that her claim to the nomination would be the lesser claim. But those aren't are our facts. She's running against a freshman Senator who generally shares her views, not against FDR.

Chris Moorehead

Sorry about the error - I had remembered her as being elected to the Senate in 2002. I did live in the US at the time, but my memory of that period is growing mercifully dim. Let's just say it got pretty frightening, particularly in the days following 9/11.

Personally, I'm not particularly enamoured of either candidate. My impression of Hillary is that she's been running for President since she entered the Senate, though to be fair that's all Obama has been doing as well. In my opinion, the only viable candidate that's offered much more than platitudes was John Edwards, and he's out of the running.

Unfortunately, the Democrats have a talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and this Clinton/Obama slugfest has the potential to keep voters away from the polls in droves. This, combined with John McCain's alleged reputation as a "moderate" (absurd, since he's probably the most right wing of the entire bunch of Republican candidates) may siphon off swing voters (independents and the infamous "Reagan Democrats"), and result in a Republican victory.

From a purely Machiavellian point of view, the loser of the Democratic race has everything to gain by torpedoing the candidacy of the victor. It will totally discredit that candidate, and undoubtedly assure that the primary "loser" becomes President in 2012. Both Clinton and Obama are young enough that they can afford to wait if necessary. And four more years of Republican mismanagement will just make the endgame even more inevitable.

Six months ago, I would have said that the Democrats could run Charles Manson as their candidate and still be assured of victory. However, I neglected to factor in the Democratic gift for self-destruction. We'll see what happens, but I'm not hopeful.

stephen.reeves

I thought you did not like Hilary because she supported the overthrow of a fascist dictator, who did not like the U.S.

Diana Marie

Nice resume Marky Mark, I'm sure Mrs. Clinton would appreciate it. But you missed one of her board experiences .......

Hillary Clinton & Walmart: A love story
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

"...And the board Hillary Clinton sat on was rabidly anti-union, was exploiting sweatshop labor around the world, discriminating against women workers, forcing workers to labor off the clock and destroying communities that did not want them. This should not be a shock: Clinton was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.
So, the question still remains: what did Hillary Clinton do—or, not do—when she served on the board of Wal-Mart? Maybe, if her memory was refreshed, she could tell us how she protested the company’s relentless union-busting, expressed feminist outrage at the widespread discrimination against women and was horrified that the mushrooming wealth of the Wal-Mart family was made possible on the backs of slave labor around the world....."

marshall_burson

Stanford law prof Lawrence Lessig has issued a compelling assessment of the stakes in this race. He agrees that the distinction is not one of policy but of moral courage and integrity, not inconsequential elements of political character. You can find it here:

http://lessig.org/blog/4obama.mov

P A

Love this ironic line:
"Goodbye to her being exploited as a Rorschach test by women who reduce her to a blank screen on which they project their own fears, failures, fantasies."

I'll be damned if that's not the reason this article exists in the first place!

J Deinhart

Antonia: You hit the nail on the head - racist remarks are taboo, but gender bashing seems to be fine. The double standard thrives. Thanks for a real eye-opener.

a.j.

I am not surprised to see this opinion coming out of Canada. Hillary Clinton is a privileged white woman, and let's face it middle class white women enjoy far more privilege than visible minority males and especially over visible minority women. The notion of a coloured person being Canada's head of government is not even a remote possibility for anytime in the near future. Simply look at Canada's cabinet, how many middle or upper class white women are in cabinet and how many visible minorities (ZERO!). When it comes to progress and race, especially in politics, Canada is light years behind the United States. The brutal truth is that in Canada, and in politics in particular, white middle class women enjoy far more privilege than any visible minority and the numbers completely back that up as fact.

Antonia

Thanks AJ. It's true that white men enjoy many more privileges than visibility minority men, and that visible minority women are at the bottom of the heap. They constitute the greatest number of minimum wage workers in Canada.

But it's a Conservative government, isn't it? Not many ethnics in that caucus or cabinet.

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/cabinet.asp

What's more, the Conservative caucus has a pathetic percentage of women -- period. (And by the way, Bev Oda is the first Canadian of japanese heritage to make it to the House of commons, and the cabinet. You forgot her.)


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