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Big_Willie_Styles

This article is disingenuous. He provided ILLEGAL abortions because late-term abortions are illegal in Kansas. He got off on a technicality, which many think had something to do with the governor at the time of his arrest.

Antonia

I would argue that his charges were a trumped up technicality.

In any case, are you saying that, had he been convicted, he would have been executed?

Ellen Zucker

This killing makes me sick. I admit to fearing Dr. Tiller would meet a violent end--he was a lightning rod in an area rife with anti-abortion sentiment. Nonetheless, the irony of Dr. Tiller being assassinated in a House of God by people who flaunt their "Christian" virtues is telling.

I really do think your term "American Taliban" hits the issue on its head. Imo, ultimately, this is not about the "sanctitiy of life," but punishing women for being sexual creatures by enslaving them to forced pregnancy.

And I do share your sentiment that this is indeed terrorism and that the life and health of the woman forced to consider late-term abortion is not of concern to these people.

If women were truly respected as fully human, the question of reproductive rights would be moot--a woman's decision would not be questioned and she would receive far greater social support for the pregnancies she chooses to carry to term or not.

deBeauxOs

But, if the organizations who posted loathsome, murderous propaganda on their websites are as innocent as the "preborn" they claim to defend, why are they scrubbing their websites?

Social Mange

Why do pro-lifers always sound like complete whack jobs, lacking any crumb of logic or reason?
The scary thing is that these people can buy guns and exercise their supposed orders from God. Or Dog, depending on your point of view and what voices they are hearing in their heads.

Hugo B. Oakville On

Thank you for all the analysis and report, amazing coverage. Pointing this kind of spotlight to all angles is the only way to really expose the wackos.

Stefan

I have yet to see the 'American Taliban' blow up girls schools, or suicide bomb churches , maybe that is to come ?? One nut does not make an American Taliban , get real !.

deBeauxOs

And you are LYING "Big_Willie_Styles". Late term abortion is not illegal in Kansas.

Get your facts straight - try reading real news article instead of the propaganda at Operation Rescue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_US_State_by_State

littlemisssunshine

I feel sick. I feel sick that a fellow human being has been shot in cold blood & there are people out there rejoicing. You are right Antonia, the term pro-life is simply not appropriate. The lies they spew, the facts they twist to their own ends (and usually in the name of God, no less) are deplorable.
I have always, and will always, believe in my right to choose.

MensRightsNow

"If women were truly respected as fully human, the question of reproductive rights would be moot--a woman's decision would not be questioned and she would receive far greater social support for the pregnancies she chooses to carry to term or not."

That's the problem with your reasoning. It isn't JUST about the woman. Their is a growing life inside her and a man who is 50% of that growing life, outside of her. The life inside can be terminated with no recourse to that life. The "fatherhood" on the outside can be terminated against his choice, or forced against his choice.

The argument is not as simple as "my body, my choice"or "my reproductive rights".

Here's the MRA mantra:

"Consenting to sex, is not the same as consenting to fatherhood." Get used to hearing that.

That said, murdering abortion doctors is sick and counterproductive and not supported in any way by this MRA. I also support a woman's right to choose in cases of incest, rape or the health of the mother...as do most reasonable people (not the anti-abortion zealots.)

As for the 80% of all abortions by perfectly responsible and healthy 20-39 year old women. Your body, my wallet, my life, my choice...you are on your own if you believe in real equality.

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/health43-eng.htm

MensRightsNow

...oh by the way, I thought the abortion debate was over?

Dan Graham

I'm not surprised in the least that some nutcase killed him -- he was doing some pretty disgraceful things (and I say that as a pro-choicer, but only for the first tri-mester). This whole thing will be exploited by both sides, and I doubt at the end of it all, any of us will be better off.

Paul

four words.

THOU. SHALT. NOT. KILL.

If anyone claims to believe in their scripture at all how can they possibly support these kind of acts? If they believe that their god is all-powerful and that it metes out reward and punishment in the afterlife how dare they take judgement into their own hands? If they believe that this god is indeed omnipotent and that everything that happens is "all part of God's plan" (surely the most despicable, weak minded, responsibility- and thought-abrogating phrase in existence) then abortionists are as much a part of it as pastors (but then so are rapists, TV game shows, infant mortality and flesh eating bacteria; but that takes us to my previous parenthesis).

Not Much Into Killing

Casting all those who are Pro-Life or Anti-Choice as "American Taliban" smells of the fallacies of "Argument by Outrage" and "Guilt by Association", as though anyone with a direly opposed opinion of Tiller deserves guilt.

You want to influence the view that all right-wingers are suspected terrorists? Did you tally the number of terrorist bombings here compared to the number of bombings by Muslim Jihadis? Do U.S. Christians insist women should be nothing but unthinking slaves at home? Do they marry off their own teenage daughters?

Did you really need to sensationalize your article by trying to link the Pro-Life movement to the Taliban? I think the fact that a man was murdered at church by a vigilante was disturbing enough. His unfortunate job, whatever our opinions may be of that, became an unjust excuse for a vigilante to take his life. The crime speaks for itself.

Pen

@ Paul
"Hate. Not heated opposition. Not strong disagreement.
But blind hatred."
Pro-life, Taliban, Christian, Muslim. Same thing.
Religious intolerance, 7th century ideology.
Bull.

Felicity Hangnail

Anyone who has witnessed a late-term abortion will identify this act as nothing short of murder. While I don't believe that his "vendetta" killing was right (it cetainly is "unlawfull"), I have no sympathy for Tiller the abortionist.

Jason

Short quiz:

Are you a Christian?

____Yes ____No

If you checked yes, are you a Shiite or a Sunni?

____Shiite ____Sunni

We are now as bad as the people we fight. God help us all.

Mary Sunshine

*Now* can we call the "pro-lifers" anti-abortionists?

Antonia

No Mary Sunshine, and you know why? because pro-choicers are not pro-abortionists. None of us force march women to get abortions. We would rather avoid them entirely, with proper sex education and access to contraception. But notice how the forced birthers tend to be for abstinence only education and are against many forms of contraception.

...pat.

MRN: Maybe the MRA should adopt a new slogan: "I am responsible for my own reliable birth control if I do not want to have children. " You choice: vasectomy, intra vas device (IVDs), condom + spermicide, non-penetrational sex, abstinence...

littlemisssunshine

@Mary Sunshine
Antonia is right, the language we use is very important. Which is why anti-choice is a much more apt phrase. Being pro-choice does not make me a "baby-killer", it means I support freedom of choice for the decisions women must sometimes make. I would much rather the choice be adoption (my husband is adopted), or better yet access to contraceptives and the education that goes along with that. Some women feel that abortion is their only choice and I support them in that decision. If the freedom to choose is removed... hmmm, A Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood comes to mind. A very scary place for women to be!

The Stygian and his Shemitish Dogs

"But notice how the forced birthers ..... are against many forms of contraception."

I'm not.

I used to contemplate writing something starting "Sir, As a fan of the Reverend Ian Paisley I am horrifed by the way the Catholic Church has hijacked the prolife debate ...."

Ages ago I remember suggesting to a prominent prolife activist that the Catholic Church could quietly drop its opposition to contraception in exchange for Planned Parenthood ceasing to push abortion .....


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