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Bannination

A legend would be very helpful on the first map so we knew what the heck we are looking at.

Patrick Cain

Click on the image to find the full map.

Peppy Epi

As an infectious disease epidemiologist, these maps make me want to punch some affluent parents. Don't wanna support herd immunity? Then GTFO of my herd!

Mother of an Child Who is No Longer Vaccinated

I tend to find this data pretty useless in general though it is interesting to look at it.

Children are unvaccinated for a variety of reasons some of which maybe:

Reason of Conscious
Freedom of Religion
Medically Contradicted
Previous Adverse Event

Children that are VACCINATED also "shed" when vaccinated with live viruses (for example chicken pox).

I've been through two CP outbreaks in a childcare setting from the vaccinated strain as confirmed by Toronto Public Health. In this instance vaccinated children were shedding and passing on CP. Not the unvaccinated.

Further, the fact that one is unvaccinated does not make them a "host" for disease - DD's been exposed to pertusiss twice and not contracted it.

Just because you are not vaccinated does not guarantee you will become ill with a disease when you encounter it - maybe/maybe not - depends on your overall health, strength of your immune system, etc and what sort of immunity may have been passed to the child across the placenta or via full-term breastfeeding.

For example, an unvaccinated child exposed to the chicken pox may or may not get it. It's not given you will get a disease just because of the "un"vaccination status.

Add on top of this that some vaccines have "low efficacy rates", and certain individuals will experience "primary and secondary failure". Primary being the vaccine just did not work, secondary being waning immunity (Mumps in Iowa is a recent example) which usually leads to the addition of boosters on the schedule - further people's immunity will "wane" at different rates. So even when you have a vaccinated population - their levels of immunity are all different and vaccination does not guarantee they won't get the disease at some point in time also.

Lastly, these types of articles fuel the "unvaccinated should not be allowed in public school" because they are a health risk to the herd mentality - but when you understand all the above you can see how anyone can be a risk to the community at large.

It also leads to parents wanting the unvaccinated children personally identified, as another Mama said to me - with what a scarlet letter? And what road would that lead down - should people with other forms of communicable diseases (HIV, Hepatitis, etc) be labeled so we know they are a risk to us?

MooMom

Reason of CONSCIENCE not conscious

Medically CONTRAINDICATED not contradicted

Unvaccinated children are clearly statistically more likely to contract and pass on a vaccine preventable disease than vaccinated children. This has been demonstrated over and over again in the scientific literature. 100 vaccinated children will virtually always fare better than 100 unvaccinated children when confronted with the same disease exposure.

Fortunately, herd immunity will protect "Mother of an Child Who is No Longer Vaccinated's" child....that is until those pockets of unvaccinated children in the maps begin to affect herd immunity and put other children (the relatively small numbers of primary and secondary failures in particular) at risk and ends the herd immunity that the unvaccinated currently enjoy/take advantage of.

MooMom - part of the herd and proud of it

Mother of an Child Who is No Longer Vaccinated

Well in order to benefit from herd immunity you have to believe in it. Seeing I don't believe in herd immunity I am not enjoying or taking advantage of anything.

Certainly wasn't relying on the herd when we visited children living in squalors in Cuba, etc.

You could plop our family in any part of the world where vaccinate rates are much lower and it would not change our opinion. We don't fear disease.

We've been through exposure to chicken pox and pertusiss without getting them - the vaccinated children were the ones sick, not mine.

Glad you're proud to be a part of the herd.

I've always preferred to be an individual and not follow the herd. I am proud of that.

MCB

As a physician/scientist who treats children, I am very concerned about some parent's beliefs.

The concept of herd immunity has more to do with ability to limit/control epidemic outbreaks but nothing to do with the ability to eliminate spread of infrection because the infectious agents are always in the enviroment.

Of the many measles outbreaks in the US the majority affected are foreign visitors or foreign born citizens, who have not been vaccinated. It is difficult to argue herd immunity with the infectious agents still out there. I suspect we will begin to see a rise of infections in US born but unvaccinated children soon.

In response to the parent posting the refusal to vaccintate against pertussis, I saw 4 cases last year as did each of my immediate colleages. Multiply that times the number of persons who also take care of children and the numbers can be staggering. If the CDC pertussis incidence(or any other infection) seems low, it is because many cases go unreported.
Signed,
Concerned science advocate for children.

Maryn McKenna

Hi, just to let you know we have blogged these maps on Poynter.org, the US journalists' site.
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&aid=144956
Nice!

Maryn McKenna
Poynter E-Media team

DavidM

Some of the private and alternative schools have few students so only 3 or 4 unvaccinated students put them, by percentage, in the highest category. Also, at least one school I'm familiar with was identified not by its location near the Beach, but by a mid-town address. Perhaps this was the address of the school’s owner?

D.B

Yes,I agree that, some parents don't want to be serious about the vaccinated. Sometimes, they show awful careless health support toward their kids. It's really sucks.They should be more careful about their children and make sure that their kid's get the vaccine. Atleast when school is giving a chance.

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