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daveberta

Senator Brown's argument seems to be an attempt to pass politics off as governance. If he was sincerely arguing for actual Senate Reform, I would suspect that the words 'Liberal' and 'Conservative' probably wouldn't have been featured so prominently in this media release.

Jan

There was no other choice for the PM.It is the only way to arrive at the ultimate solution to make it an elected Senate.
Liberals will never agree to a reform, because they know that Canadians will never elect Liberals to the Senate, for the simple reason they do not have the interest of Canadians at heart.

Dave

There was no other choice for John Turner, either, if you believed John Turner.

Link Hogbrow


"Since all new Senators are required to support our reform measures, and with a majority who believe in and support real reform, we will finally have the votes to make it happen."

Not until you get the provinces to ratify Senator. Its in the constitution, which you ignore at your peril.

Unless you don't want your country to survive at all.

You do want Canada to continue to exist as an independent nation and as a parliamentary democracy right ?

Right .....

Ken S from Ramara

Harpo has made a mockery of the Senate. Instead of appointing distinguishing Canadians (from all political affiliations) Harpo appoints only Reformatory bag persons or yes men/woman (ie SHEEPLE). If turning +13B surplus into a -$75B deficit doesn't convince you he is the worst PM in Canadian history, I don't know what else can!

Matt

In politics, if you have to explain it... you have already lost the argument.

I feel a litle sorry for Senator Bert, but the explanation seems a little pathetic.

Alan Wayne Scott

Where is the surprise here?

This minority, 'right-wing coalition' government of Stephen Harper continues apace to eradicate the highest ideals of our federation, so that any national bonds that are left, might be more easily severed. This would better facilitate his underlying goal from the start, to divide this nation if he can't have it all, and retain control, for his oil industry funded backers, only the portion(s) that they consider to have 'value'. The Harper Conservatives, not the Bloc, are the most dangerous separatist group threatening Canada today.

Harper's thugs lie to us, blatantly misrepresenting the truth, even from the halls of OUR House on Parliament Hill, whenever the Prime Minister deems it to be in their best interests to do so.

Some would say that politics has always been similarly bent, but Harper takes it to new lows. If Canadians ever wake up enough to deny these soulless opportunists office, it will be interesting to hear what the courts will have to say about their performance, elected senate or not.

Wascally Wabbit

What you might call a "Senatorial sycophantic Statement"...
We seem to be getting some silly stuff out of the Senate the last 24 hours...I cite Senator David Smith's statement that "the liberal Party probably won't bring down the Harper government on EI..."
Well - duh! That ship sailed in June David!
Rather - you have the ideal reason right now - to eradicate these undemocratic moves by a minority government - but - the only way you can do it Senator - is to bite the democratic bullet - forget waiting for the polls to tell you you might have a majority - and sit down with your opposite numbers in the other Centre / Left parties to devise an election AND governing strategy!

Sarann

The new senators are required to do what? What if that's another lie? Harper will suddenly say that his friends in the senate can stay till they drop, because he doesn't keep his word about anything, does he? Anyway he has been saying the senate is a joke for a long time and now he has made it so.

Gabby in QC

Mr. Scott, perhaps this has escaped your notice.

Liberal Senator Wilfrid Moore introduced a bill in the senate to fill existing vacancies:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/Senate/Bills/392/public/S-224/S-224_1/S-224_text-e.htm
"Vacancy in Senate
13.1 Within 180 days after a vacancy happens in the Senate, the Prime Minister shall recommend to the Governor General a fit and qualified person for appointment to the Senate to fill the vacancy.
Transitional
(2) In respect of a vacancy that exists in the Senate at the time this Act receives royal assent, the Prime Minister shall, within 180 days after the day of that assent, recommend to the Governor General a fit and qualified person for appointment to the Senate to fill the vacancy."

The PM has filled the vacancies that needed filling, That need was seen even by the Liberal senator and probably his Liberal colleagues.

Your all-consuming hatred of PM Harper is perhaps blinding you to those facts.

And in case you haven't noticed, conservatives have a stake in "OUR House on Parliament Hill" too. It is not exclusive Liberal property.

Wascally Wabbit

Thank you Gabby!
At least we know what the PMO Talking points are today.
Surprising - I had assumed Mr. Giorno would think that the exquisite timing of the Gary Doer appointment would sweep that other stinking mess off the front page!

Alan Wayne Scott

Yo Gabby,

I don't "hate" Mr. Harper,

True, I don't like many of his policies and I don't like what he has done to my beloved country and her citizens.

I do not trust him as far as I could throw him and his baggage, which grows by the day.

This is an age when what one says can and will be replayed throughout the coming election cycle. Hopefully Canadians will catch on to his manipulative fear-mongering a third time around.

Mr Harper's adept political appointment of Mr. Doer, also weakens the NDP hold on Manitobe, eh? I guess he plans to try and take Manitoba with him when he partitions HARPERLAND.

Gabby in QC

Wascally Wabbit, you flatter me by saying my comment came from the PMO, but you'd be surprised what a helper Google can be.

Just with my own wittle computer I was able to dig up that information.

You too could accomplish the same thing if you put your wittle mind to it.

Gabby in QC

Yo, Al!

You're entitled to your opinion regarding PM Harper's policies, although your lament about "what he has done to my beloved country and her citizens" is somewhat melodramatic, IMO.

I could say the same thing about the Liberal reign of Trudeau and Jean Chretien, who really transformed this country, not always for the better.

You don't trust Mr. Harper? Fine. It's your prerogative. Make sure when the next election comes around, you exercise your vote.

But please remember there are plenty of citizens - I am one - who do trust PM Harper's ability to lead this country. Last time I looked, it's not exclusive Liberal nor NDP property.

Jon Drake

I love the liberal squirming and squealing on senate reform. They invoke constitutionality as if they are the sole protectors of it and the right of every one of their supportera to live off the public trough forever. Fits them to a "t", just like rats who have had their nest discovered. Fortunately it is soon to be eliminated. Go to it Mr. Harper.

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