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January 20, 2008

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Dagomar Degroot

Always a fan, Mr. Smith, but Jef from St. Catharines is on the right track.

You don't need an "enforcer" in this day and age, obviously, but toughness is one thing this team sorely lacks. Toughness is making hustle plays, battling for rebounds, pushing bigs out of the paint, defending the rim, etc., etc. And yes, toughness is being aggressive, being physical, and stepping up for players when they're hit. I'm not saying anyone on this team should start a fight - that would be absurd. But when the coach is the only one to run out onto the court and confront an opposing player after the starting point guard is brutally fouled . . . there's something wrong with that picture, isn't there?

I think you'd be very wrong to say the great teams nowadays lack that elusive "tough" quality. In last year's playoffs, I seem to remember Horry slamming Nash into the sidelines, or Bowen kneeing Nash in the groin. It's not pretty, but ultimately it holds up: a soft team that shies away from confrontation and conflict is not going to go that far in the playoffs.

Blogger's note: I didn't say they lacked toughness, I said they lacked the kind of players who had games like Oak, Mahorn or Laimbeer brought back in their day. That stuff doesn't wash in the league now. If any of them tried the stuff today they did back then, they be getting flagrant fouls left and right.
And I will give you Bowen tough but I don't think anyone thinks of hard-nosed when they think of Robert Horry. Experienced? Sure. Big Shot Bob, no question.
Do the Raptors need to be tougher? I've said it repeatedly; is there a difference between tough and what passed for tough a decade ago? Absolutely.
Anyway, everyone's pretty clear in their stance on this issue, we'll see what the GM does between now and the trade deadline.
Thanks, as always, for writing.

Michele Fariello

I don't think that our friend from Belgium meant Bellinelli would be too expensive as far as his contract but rather the cost of acquiring him. I was wondering this as well, what do you think it would take as far as a trade is concerned to acquire Bellinelli (players/picks)?

Blogger's note: Perhaps I did misread, sorry about that. Man, with the way Nellie coaches that team, who knows what they'd want. I recall them having some interest in the Hump last year, maybe they can rekindle that?

Zack

One instance where we could have used a tough guy was when Anthony Johnson elbowed Jose in the back of the head. Bosh was right there and he didn't even look at Johnson...

TJ has always held his own though. I remember a game against the Bucks, his former team no less, last season where Bogut got physical with Bosh and TJ got right up in the big man's face.

dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI&feature=related

Here is the video of what happened. I agree with the above poster. They need toughness bad. Sign Oak!

Doug is out of touch with what fans mean by toughness.

dave

Above poster video about TJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRuHXkWpdJ0&feature=related

Oak doesn't have to play. He just needs to sit on the bench. Only bring him out when the hard fouls happen to the Raptors.

Blogger's note: Almost time to cap this discussion if we're getting to the silly suggestion stage. Can't believe no one's suggested Tie Domi or Wade Belak.

Tim Amor

Bangers on championship teams:
San Antonio: Bruce Bowen - Dirty -filthy even- player, Robert "hip check like a champ" Horry
Miami: James Posey - scrappy player
Detroit: Ben Wallace? the whole starting lineup was scrappy
LA Lakers: Robert "fill in nick name here" Horry

They're not goons, but they definitely have sandpaper in their game.

Craig

Sixers fan here:
I understand the money thing, but how could Sam Dalembert be Bargnani's backup? That, to me, would make no sense at all. Bargnani can shoot the 3, but he cannot defend, block shots, rebound or intimidate like Sam. There are only a handful of teams that Sam should be a back up on...and Toronto isn't one of them. Imagine the threat B would be coming off the bench. Imagine a front line of Dalembert and Bosh. I actually think that is where Bargnani should be until he shows he can do more. The bench is where one dimensional guys belong. Believe me, we have a ton of them down here.

Eric

Don't the Raptors have their 'tough guy' already under contract? Can't imagine Garbo letting the kind of guff Johnson passed out go unchallenged. He just needs two sound legs to bring it.

SiC

San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, the Lakers

Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Alonzo Mourning, Rasheed Wallace, Shaq & Kobe were/are tough

Wild Ace

when TJ Ford missed his complete 2nd season (or what should have been it), the following season when he was healthy, he was deemed a sophmore & played in the rookie challenge!

Travis

Not quite sure about Belinelli's talents other than the raptors seemed to want him at draft time. Now this might be a bit off, but would BC consider a Carlos Delfino for Belinelli and Troy Hudson (for cap purposes) trade. I know Carlos is the much better player right now, but considering re-signing Carlos would cost us upwards of $3 million, while with Belinelli we would control him for the next 3 years after this one at a dirt cheap salary. Plus if Garbo returns next year doesn't he bring a lot of the same things to the table that Delfino does and he is even more versatile, so realistically I'm not sure if the raptors will even try to re-sign Delfino. Unless BC plans to swing Delfino off in a bigger trade I think this might be a great opportunity to move him for a cheap asset that we can control for the next 3 years.

Or for that matter I guess we could also try to pawn off Joey Graham for Belinelli, Graham might actually be able to prosper in Golden State's run and gun offense.

Edgar

Joey Graham for Marco Belinelli is an obvious choice because G-state could always use another Harrington type to fill in the PF spot. The salaries match almost perfect although i would imagine a sweetener (2nd rounder etc) would be required to pry Belinelli away, assuming half a season of disappointment is not enough for NBA GM's to give away potentially valuable resources. (see:Bargnani)

Delfino is showing way too much value to trade for a guy with similar offensive and reduced defensive abilities. Delfino and Calderon are restricted at the end of the season to my knowledge and considering the boatloads of contracts coming up at seasons end we should see a whole lot of reasonable 3-5 mill contracts.

Melinda A.

I heard that TJ Ford has been cleared by doctors, but is choosing not to play until he 'feels ready'. How come he doesn't have to show up to games and support his teammates, even if he isn't playing?

Blogger's note: "Cleared" by doctors? He's been okayed to work out, on his own, which is what he's doing back in Houston. He's getting more work in there than he would in Toronto, with the same people who got him back after his first surgery.
Should he be here? I guess you could make that case but if his return is going to be accelerated by working out in Houston, then that's what he should do.
The Raptors are keeping close tabs on him -- they had a front-office staff member down there last week -- and they aren't overly-concerned that he's there and not here.
I imagine the time is coming for some hard decisions about the short-term future and his workout schedule, but it's not here yet.

Emal

Question wondering what do you think about Clipers Corry in TO, is it posible? and what about NY's Jamal C , like him alot, is he a good fit to be the combo guard, he can releave the point situation and play shooting G as well, and is thomas going to give up on David lee, the kid is a star, he is a rebounding machine.

Blogger's note: I presume you mean Corey Maggette of the Clippers? He'd be all right but, as I've said about a zillion times, people in the Raptor organization are worried about his defence and commitment to a team; Jamal Crawford is okay, probably be a nice fit here next year; and, no, Thomas is not going to give up on David Lee.
And I will say with with no malice intended: You've got to learn how to spell better and use punctuation if you want to be taken seriously, here or anywhere.

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