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March 12, 2008

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Aneil

re: Personally, I think 23 shots is a tad excessive but watching him last night, you didn’t think he was forcing as many as he did against the Magic. And it wasn’t like anyone else was really filling it up.

Agreed - he was doing some good scoring BUT "it wasn't like anyone else was really filling it up" just shows that he wasn't distributing the ball like he should have been. AP was HOT last night and with his strong D on Kobe, he needed more touches, especially in the 3rd and 4th quarter. TJ has this swagger and cockyness that every ball player needs but I think it's too much with him and he's still looking for his WAY too much in the game. He needs to keep more guys involved. In my opinion, They will stop caring on D if they aren't getting touches on O.

Jason Ohashi

I don't know how TJ played against Seattle because I didn't see the game (at church), but TJ looked a lot better against LA. I think you're completly right on how TJ played last night, though he did take a lot of shots, it wasn't as forced as it was in the Orlando game where everyone's open and everyone's collapsing and he still takes a shot. TJ did have some nice lead passes and hopefully it's a sign of more good things to come.

dan p

I'm sure this comment is going to be in the middle of 12 trade TJ comments, who I think played well, but I'd like to focus on another player.

I really like the game that Andrea played last night. He was far from spectacular, but as Doug said, he looks like he starting to "get it". Offensively, he was patient and he took what the defence gave him (unlike the rushed, out of control Andrea we saw earlier in the year). His shot wasn't 100% on, but he made driving layups, a mid range pull up, and a 3, and none of it really seemed forced. His dribble drive is improving and he's making good decisions with the ball, either getting to the line (where he is becoming academic) or setting up a teammate with a good, decisive pass (6 assists to 1 turnover, Chuck must have melted when he saw that).

Defensively, you know Bargs played well when you don't hear his name called too much. He didn't get glaringly blown by, and he had only 2 fouls in 30 minutes. I think I even saw him battling for a couple of those boards (albeit none of them offensive).

Games like this give me (and I assume BC) hope that Andrea could still be the player envisioned on draft day. This was not one of those 25 point nights where everything was falling for him, this was a night where he shot fairly well and played a good all around game. This was a game where his vast skill set was showcased (wihtout him having to take every shot) as well as some of the tweaking that has been done since his NBA career began. Our Dirk Jr. might just pan out yet...

Either that, or maybe I'm reading too much into a 15-6-6 game...

jk

Oh great...we have the next Stephon Marbury and the next Jermaine O'Neal (how many games does Bosh have to miss before and alarm goes off???)...carrying this team...I for one no longer enjoy watching the Raptors...the selfishness and sheer lack of talent is becoming depressing.
Couple the weak play with the excruciatingly bad announcing by the 2 cartoon character buffoons (everyone I know watches the broadcasts on mute) and it's clear last year was a Cinderella year and the clock has struck.
Are we the only NBA team without a wing player capable of driving to the basket??

Ian

Hey Doug, I agree that TJ was better than he had been last night, I also think he still hurts the team when he doesn't dish off. Parker *was* "filling it up", and didn't get a touch in the 4th quarter. While TJ did score on many of his possessions, doesn't it hurt the team to take everyone else on his team out of the flow of the game? If the guys haven't had a shot in 15 minutes, how likely is it that when you need the big three they're going to drop it (I know, I know, they're professionals, but holy jumpin' jiminy there's a reason why the call it a basketball *team*).

Also, if all he does is careen wildly toward the basket, it also makes it harder to get an offensive board (although Rasho was nicely there for his dunk attempt).

Ak

Thanks for this mornings blog Doug. I just wanted to say that I actually thought the Raptors played well last night. Played with heart and didn't give up. Andrea has been putting some nice games together that don't come easy. You can see how hard he works out there. 6 boards and 6 assists!

And my goodness...tell me you saw the first play of the 3rd quarter when J.Moon actually drove the ball to the basket and tried to dunk it!! I almost fell off my chair... I couldn't believe he drove the ball. Of course he missed the dunk, no foul, and we never saw another drive.

Jeff W

"with all due respect, you may be off your rocker."

Way to channel your inner Ricky Bobby, Doug. :)

But you're right: 22-and-9 guys who can hit free throws like CB4 are rare in the extreme. His patented drive-and-get-fouled move is a game changer.

Perhaps the key things that keep Bosh from being considered a "true superstar" are his demeanor and his location.

voislav

CB's knee is becoming a bit of a worry, it really looks like it might be a long-term problem. Raptors should really take the time to consider what to do here, because knee injuries, and CB had a couple in his short career, have a nasty tendency to turn into a chronic problem. Maybe rest is enough short term, but if surgery is needed as a permanent solution they should do it as soon as possible.

Sorin

Quote from your comments - about TJ's performance:
"And it wasn’t like anyone else was really filling it up."
Sorry Doug, but did you watch the same game? Did you watch the game that up to the 3rd quarter AP was 7/11 and 4/5 from 3? And Rasho a decent 6-12? Did you watch the game that AP not only didn't take a shot...but he actually couldn't have had a shot...if he almost didn't touch the ball all quarter - when the team on the offense? And Rasho didn't get a shot until the 2 min mark from end of the game?
I guess you've been too much drawn into the "TJ show"...so you perhaps forgot that there was a game there - that should be played 5 vs. 5...and not 1 vs. 5.
Hope we'll have a good TJ vs Warriors game tonight.

Ellie

I caught part of the game on the radio and I'm glad it wasn't a blow-out. A win would have been nice, but I'm happy they played with dignity given the lack-o-Bosh.

How awesome has AP been lately? After the trouble Kobe gave him last time in Toronto, he deserves serious props.

Leon Monette

Those in the know understand that it's poseur, with a u.

GM

Entertaining game last night. I don't think TJ sucked at all. But 23 shots is way, way too many. It was a close game throughout so it's not as if nobody else was doing anything. And even if they weren't the point guard should still look for ways to set up his teammates easily before himself.

I don't know. Kobe's great and all, but don't you think Cleveland would be way farther behind L.A. if you took LeBron and Kobe off their respective teams?

jimmie

In reference to Greg H's email: What a stereotypical Toronto fan's comment. The grass is always greener. This isn't even worth arguing. Outside of Kobe and Lebron, the "superstar" these people seem to want in Toronto as an alternative to Bosh simply does not exist.

CB4 scores at a very high rate of efficiency, keeps his team in games single-handedly sometimes, plays decent defense, has a deep passion to win, and seems to have the ear of his teammates and is acknowledged as the clear leader of the team on and off the floor. All this as a 24-year-old 5-year veteran who is clearly getting better each year.

None of these people ever list names of guys they think are better than Bosh. After the two noted above, who would you really want over Bosh (forget about the actual ability to acquire them)?
-Iverson = old and not a good fit.
-Howard = nice, but you can't have him on the floor at the end of a close game, and he's a ways from being a team leader.
-Chris Paul = great player; you could make a case, I suppose.
-Nowitzki = No-win-ski?
-Carmelo = no leadership skills, just a scorer.
-Stoudemire = physical specimen, sure, but again, not a leader. Without Nash, where would he be?
-Baron Davis = coming into his own late in career. I wouldn't trade Bosh for him though.
-Boozer = small PF, little upside beyond what he's done so far.
-Duncan = future HofFamer, but arguably not even the top player on his team anymore (Ginobili, Parker).
-Nash = old, but probably the best true leader in the game today. Wouldn't trade Bosh, though, due to the age.

Bosh's Batman needs a Robin, no doubt. We're like Cleveland: Our superstar is not quite so high in the stratosphere as Lebron is, but our support cast is much better than his. I don't see Daniel Gibson or Varejao developing into a 2nd all-star for that team, but there is a good chance that Bargnani, Ford, or Calderon do for TO. In fact, there's a remote chance that Bargs becomes as good as Bosh from a production standpoint, IMO. If you told me Toronto could have TWO 20+/7+/3+ players in our frontcourt in a couple of years, I'd consider that pretty good and certainly good enough to take the team deep into the playoffs.

Damn, Doug -- you just gotta stop printing these emails! Build up the intelligence level of the blog by not giving the idiots a voice!! ;-)

oliveira

staid up to watch the game and I feel that the raps could've won. Few qs:

why would the coach play 3rd role playesrs in the 4th quarter so much(ie. Humphreys, Graham)? Kobe played 47 minutes last night.

Even though TJ scored 28 pts, why didn't Calderon play in the 4th? CAlderon is a better play maker than TJ.

Why couldn't the raps run more plays to try and shoot 3 pointers?

I don't know if you agree, but with a little better coaching, they could've won the game

Ryan Vender

Hi Doug,

Love the blog, read it daily.

I have question/comments in regards to Bosh and also the rest of team. I agree that Bosh is a really good (I wouldn't say a great) player and I am happy that he has taken on a leadership role. Earlier in the year you made comments about how it takes time for Bosh to really get 'warmed' up and playing up to his full potential. Those comments you made were in response to earlier in the year his numbers weren't where they should have been due to the fact that he sat for most of the summer with the foot injury. So come the regular season when he got back into action he wasn't in full form. However, once he started playing and practising again he was playing really well, but if you recall that took some time.

My question here is do you feel after being off from this injury which is looking longer and longer day by day he will need a lot of time to get back to his true form? And if this is the case how will the Raps actually do for the last part of the season and the playoffs?

Which brings me to one other point. You commented today in the blog about how valuable Bosh is to the team and seeing how the games have been over the past 2 weeks you seem to be right. Will this motivate BC to go after another 'all star' type player? Another big man that can rebound and score (like A. Jameison for instance)? It seems like that is what the team is really in need of at this point.

Thanks

Ryan, Toronto

anton

doug, i agree with your comments on t.j.

last night's performance was better than orlando. for me, the bottom line is this: is that what we really want from our point guard?

he seems like mike james half the time.

Amanda

JK, if you don't like the Raptors then why are you commenting in here? Go watch the Leafs NOT make the playoffs, and we'll be here waiting for you in May when the Raps make it to the second round because of Bosh, and you'll actually have some positive things to say. Thanks.

Rob Habes

TJ just doesn't get it.

But whats more concerning, is why hasn't Sam explained it to him. Its been two years.

Travis M.

Haha Deke is so inspirational. All 50 year old washed up ex-nba players must look at him and think they can still do it. He is the sole reason guys like Penny Hardaway try to come back to the league, yet they all fail and year after year Deke returns and wags his finger at a ton of players.

jus

most over-rated shoot-first, over-dribbling former starting point guard: TJ

most over-rated former coach-of-the-year: Sam

most under-achieving 3-point sharp-shooter: Jason

gotta keep it real....Raps out in 1st round.

CARLoS M.

I love TJ's swagger. That dunk attempt on Kobe was fantastic!!! Andrea/Moon you two paying attention??

The problem is that he takes his team mates out of the game. Last night he didn't force as many shots as he has recently but he should be keeping the others involved. They lose interest on defense if they don't get touches on offence. And on offense, they take crappy shots if, by chance, they get the ball out of TJ's hands. It is so frustrating to watch him penetrate, pick up his dribble, then turn around looking for someone to bail him out only to demand the ball back immediately.

Tonight don't watch TJ, instead keep your eyes on the other Raptors on the floor with him. Watch how their play falls off when TJ takes over. They don't set hard screens and end up standing around. TJ causes this!

Sean

Doug,

I hope you and all of the other posters on this thread realize that Jose shot 21 FG attempts two games ago against the Wizards. He was widely praised for his efforts. A blind eye was turned when Jose was getting blocked repeatedly and when he utterly failed in his attempt at last minute "heroics".

Let's stop the unwarranted Ford hating.

anton

sean,

i see where you're coming from, but the difference between jose and t.j. in that regard is that t.j. only sees scoring as his only option. jose uses scoring in conjunction with his passing game. in other words, he scores as a secondary option. the wizards were giving him the shot because he was a threat to pass it inside. it's not about the quantity of shots, but rather the context of when he takes them.

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