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July 04, 2008

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Bay Street Lawyer

I think the real difference between Ukic's situation and Jawai's situation is the opportunities each has had in their previous leagues. When Ukic was drafted, everyone knew he had talent, but he was playing back-up minutes (sometimes less than back-up minutes) for a Euro team that wasn't in the mix. Since then, he's played starter minutes in high stakes situations. It's exactly what the Raptors wanted to happen over those 3 years.

With Jawai, he's already an All-Star in his league. He averages a 17-10. Leaving him in Australia isn't going to get him more ready to play in the NBA. Neither is sending him to Europe (where? Europe isn't our farm system). He's much better off coming over now and practicing against O'Neal and Bosh every day.

Casey

"...Point guards need more seasoning than big men..."

I remember this 'excuse' being banded about in reverse when Hoffa was not paying the immediate dividends he was suppose to. It may not have been directly related to big men needing more seasoning then point guards in particular, but more a general big men need more seasoning.

I actually think I may have read you write something similar when asking the fans to have more patience with Andrea, indicating that a big needs a few years before they really come into their own, like Dirk did or even our new center needed.

So, what is the real order of time to develop by position? PG>C>PF>SF>SG? Or is this just a blanket statement that gets used to cover for players while they mature?

Blogger's note: Every player needs time to develop, every single one. If I had to rank 'em to satisify you, I'd say PG-C-SG-PF-SF.

Jim Gray

Doug you do know Portland was riddled with injuries, and played out west and still had the same record as the raptors. It's laughable imo that bargnani will ever be half as good as lamarcus aldridge. And how does the rookie scale work? marc gasol was signed to a 3 year 9-10 million dollar deal and he was a second rounder, or can second rounders sign for whatever?

Blogger's note: Second-round draft picks can sign any deal they negotiate; first-round picks are limited by the rookie scale.

Jeff

Bball team nickname... 'the anti-pucks'

JM

Suggesting that "because Bargnani made the postseason and Aldridge didn't, it's hard to say who is more successful or could be better down the road" is laughable, I think. The two teams finished with the same record, and more importantly:
a)Portland plays in a tougher conference - in the East, they'd win at least 45-47 games
b)Aldridge had a much more influential role in Portland's performance than Bargnani did in Toronto's.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but when we miss out on Roy, Gay and Aldridge, I have to question the Raptors scouting abilities.

chris

Garbo's buyout....if it was done to just let Garbo out of his contract so that he could play in europe/olympics, why/how is BC negotiated into paying a couple of million+ bucks? It seems to me that the buyout was a favour to Garbo, and not the other way around...?

Kelsie

Just reading some of the blog comments and you certainly have your hands full Doug.

Just a couple of thoughts....I agree with your observations that Delfino is inconsistent but I think BC might have erred in picking up Grahams option for this year which might have been put to re-signing Delfino or another player. I'm not sure what Delfino's asking price is and if he leaves it's no major loss but I always wonder what Joey Graham is doing on this team? He does not play smart and his basketball intellect leaves much to be desired.

I think the fans should ease up a little bit on Bargniani. He didn't play well last year but BC is going to stick with him so a little support and encouragement might be better than all of the "proposed trades" for him. I wonder what will happen with all of the negative fan feedback if he plays like he did in his rookie year which is a distinct possibility now that he does not have to start at a position he's trying to learn on the fly.

Finally, do you think the presence of O'Neal improves our defence significantly? I think that is our biggest issue and everyone knows defence wins championships in any sport. I'm wondering if JO's defensive play inspires his teammates to play hard defensively as well or is he now just the last line of defence when our perimeter people can't contain their man?

I don't always agree with you Doug but I certainly respect your knowledge of the game and no one should post insulting blogs. Being critical is fine but insults are uncalled for.

Uncle Zeke

Casino Windsor has had a "vegas style" sports betting parlour for the past 2 years. It was brought in as a way to attract customers away from the Detroit area casinos because sports gambling is illegal in Michigan (as well as most states in the US). It's basically Pro-Line with way more betting lines and parlays available than the normal Pro-Line. Basketball was not an available betting option and I don't see this changing any time soon. Still is a bastardized version of sports gambling as the odds aren't as favourable as the "true lines"- but is fun to through some money on a game if you don't have an alternate method of sports gambling.

Vicent Lam

Doug, there were three Canadians in the NBA this past season. Don't forget Joel Anthony. It's understandable though since the Heat were fielding an NBDL roster.

Baba, Oakville

Just wondering from a business perspective. Do you know if the NBA league office charges transaction or admin fees for processing trades?

Blogger's note: No, they don't

Nathan Wind

Name for Canadian Men's Team - The Maple Leaves.

kev k

The Naismiths

dean

Doug,

Any news on the new play by play guy/gal? Any chance the Raps picked a Canadian? I know how their organization has an aversion to employing Canadians.............i keed


Dean

Blogger's note: It's Matt Devlin, ex of Charlotte, did some work for Turner, good guy I'm told, a bit more, um, under-stated than Chuck

Tim W.

I think a lot of the criticism of Colangelo is ridiculous, made by people who only follow one team, but I hated the drafting of Bargnani before it even happened. In Europe, he was a seven footer who was a bad rebounder, didn't get to the line and was weak defensively. Not surprisingly, he has the same weaknesses in the NBA. He is never going to become a good rebounder and what is supposed to be his biggest strength- scoring- will always be too inconsistent to rely on because he doesn't get to the line.

Most of the top scorers get to the line at least .4 times for every time they take a shot. The reason is that when a players shot is not falling, they are able to manufacture points (from the line) and still get their points. Bosh, in his first two seasons got to the line .48 times for every field goal attempted. That was a good indication that he could become a top scorer. Even today he can have a bad shooting game and still score close to 20 points because he gets his pionts at the line. Even Dirk Nowitzki, who shot far too many threes in his early days, had a FTA-FGA ratio of .33. Bargnani has a ratio of .23, which is pretty bad for someone who is touted by some to become a better scorer than Bosh someday. Not going to happen.

Aldridge, while not the perfect solution, was, and will be, a better rebounder, defender and inside player. He doesn't get to the line much, either, but at least there are other things he does well he can rely on. If Bargnani's shot isn't falling, he's completely useless to the team. It's why I also am not a big fan of Kapono. There's more to playing than shooting.

By the way, if the Raptors passed on Bargnani because of medical concerns, then it was not the first time they got screwed for being overly cautious. They supposedly passed on Danny Granger for the same reason, and drafted Joey Graham, instead. And we all know how that turned out.

Mikey

"Doug, there were three Canadians in the NBA this past season. Don't forget Joel Anthony. It's understandable though since the Heat were fielding an NBDL roster.- Vincent Lam

I believe Mr. Smith was refering to the Canadian Men's National Team Roster, there are only two Canadian NBA players playing for the team this year. And there are actually four active Canadian NBAers: Steve Nash, Sam Dalembert, Jamal Magloire and Joel Anthony.

Miguel

Hey Doug, love the blog. Any idea when the Raps are releasing their Summer League Roster? I'm hoping that Jawai and Roko will be on there. I still remember seeing Slokar dominate the summer league a few years ago.

Also, who decides on who plays in the summer league? I seriously think they need to throw Joey in there - maybe it will bolster his confidence or flip the "good Joey" switch. We might as well get some use out of him...

Blogger's note: We'll see the roster in the next couple of days and I presume Jawai will play. Ukic won't, he'll be at the Olympic qualifier.
And I doubt you're going to see Joey Graham in any summer league.

Ahmed M

the spurs have shown interest in delfino and is it possible that they can perform a sign and trade and aquire the rights to tago splitter and if he comes he will be very good player

Blogger's note: Anything's "possible." But I wouldn't count on the Spurs giving up a long-term asset like Splitter for Delfino.

Dave

Am I the only one who sees the Raptors as a Lottery team this year? I do not believe they will make the play-offs. Most Eastern teams improved this year. The Raptors did not.

R. Dray

Why did the Raps not go out and take a chance at Gerald Green like the Mavs did?

Blogger's note: There's a Gerald Green question in the mailbag you might like to check out.

I'M THE LAW

Danny Granger for the same reason, and drafted Joey Graham


we want Granger. Now probably pacer's franchise player in the next few years.

Jason

Would you people please stop this nonsense that Aldridge is better than Bargnani and BC made the biggest mistake ever. Come on its been 2 seasons and at the end of year one when Bargnani was shooting the lights out in the playoffs, you were the same people marking out the parade routes. Give the guy a chance to develop and then pass judgement. Once the careers are over look back and see who's better not after two seasons.
I've rounded up some quotes about another 7 foot European player and what some said.

Draft day Quote - "After trading away No. 4 draft-pick Stephon Marbury last year, the Bucks get it right in '98 by stealing the marketable and talented Robert Traylor from the Mavs for an overhyped foreign prospect.”— Shanoff (ESPN)

Quote in 2000-"The wunderkind with the slender 6'11" frame and small-forward skills struggled under the weight of expectations and his inability to handle the pounding at power forward. Worn out from playing consecutive seasons without a break for the Wurzburg X-Rays in his native Germany and the Mavericks, he wound up spending long stretches on the bench. "I just fell into a hole and didn't know how to get out," Nowitzki says." - Burns(CNN/SI)

I think the above guy turned out alright


Richard Y

Hey why don't we sign Stumpy as our 13th player? We could afford a few beat grunts(or fans for that matter)with the money left under the cap?

Andrew

Isn't Adam Morrison a serious diabetic?

Tim W.

Let's all say this out loud: Andrea Bargnani is NOT Dirk Nowitzki. Dirk was a better rebounder his first two seasons than Andrea, he got to the line more frequently. Plus, he was a year younger coming in. Bargnani will most likely never be a top scorer in the league because he doesn't get to the line. And if his shot isn't falling, he won't be on the court because he doesn't grab rebounds. At least someone like Rik Smits could play defense if his shot wasn't falling, it's not like Bargnani can rely on that. If Bargani isn't scoring, he actually hurts the team. And believe me, I wasn't one of those who was `marking a parade route when Bargnani was shooting the lights out in the playoffs last year'. Firstly, he didn't really shoot the lights out. He had couple of good games, but still couldn't grab a rebound. He's seven feet and he can't seem to grab even 5 rpg, even when he plays 30 minutes?

And while I think Colangelo is still one of the best GM's in the league, he did make a big mistake. I don't like one-dimensional players because there's more to winning than shooting. If Bargnani scores 17 ppg next season, I still won't like the pick because he still will be soft on the boards. I do think it's ironic that Doug didn't like Robin Lopez because he isn't a good scorer, but defends Bargnani even though that's about all he does. GIven a choice, I'd take a guy who can do two things (rebound and play defense), over a guy that does one.

Jonathan

Just a note, Tim, but remember who was supposed to be a top-flight defender? (hint: Mr. Jerkll and Hyde) Not knocking Robin Lopez here (and like you, I'm very disappointed Bargnani hasn't magically become a passable rebounder), but to say someone who hasn't played a minute in the NBA can do two things (rebound and play defense) is saying nothing. If you're going to take the realist route with Bargnani, you should at least do the same with Robin Lopez. He's not exactly Beasley when it comes to rebounding, and he's no Corey Brewer on defense either -- oh wait, nevermind.

There are plenty of players who are applauded for their rebounding and defense, and can't ever seem to get any minutes. Have you ever wondered why? The defensive end is not the only place a player can be a liability; having a poor offensive game puts more pressure on the defense as well.

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