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April 14, 2009

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chris

Good MVP list...its perfect.

If we don't re-sign Marion, what players in the league are like him in terms of playing style (which clearly fits with the style of our two main bigs)? Either poor (or rich) versions of, or a young up-and-coming player?

Blogger's note: I'd have to find out who might even be remotely available to come up with a list like that and, right now, it's virtually impossible.

Peter

Good Morning Doug,

In regards to Bosh's comments, when I first read them, I took the "Here" to mean the NBA, not Toronto. Was there something in Bosh's voice, or in the context that would say that "here" meant anything other then the NBA?

Thanks.

Blogger's note: No, not really. It was the NBA he was talking about. But the quote speaks, to me, to a desire to play as well as he can regardless of the stakes, not taking nights off when games mean nothing. As he, and everyone, should.

Dan

I realize statistics don't mean everything, but LeBron has bested Kobe in just about every major category for two years in a row while playing at a much slower pace. He's taken an inferior roster with an inferior coach to a superior record to that of the Lakers. His defence is now at least as good as Kobe's, and he's actually played better in the clutch than Kobe this year. I just don't see how you can argue against him as the best player.

Nick

Great quote by Bosh. I was about 90 to 10 on Bosh leaving, but after watching him enjoy the game last night - on top of that quote - I'm now 50 to 50 on Bosh leaving.

Rob

I'm no grunt but I've had just about enough of this cold weather that I might be inclined to choose Orlando over Boston.

Kyron

MVP ballot is as perfect as you can get it with only 5 slots. Bosh's comments resonate greatly because most people forget that he was here to witness first hand 'He Who Shall Not Be Named' give 13% night after night. I caught the Nuggets-Kings game last night and ended up cursing the fact that Denver had the good sense to not trade JR Smith for Jason Kapono last fall.

GT

Hey Doug,
Any chance of seeing your Alvin Williams crusade in an actual article? Then you can take all the credit when the Raptors take your advice. ;) There's a whole bandwagon that needs filling up.

Pharaoh

Doug, these comments are a day late but hey, that's what happens after a long weekend. Did you find Bosh's comments before Sunday's game to be hollow? I know I did. It was my first and only game at the ACC this season (it's a long drive down from Ottawa) and I was expecting Chris or someone else to say something after the game, so when he got up there and started talking before tip-off I'm not sure most people were even paying attention. I can't even really remember what he said, that's how memorable it was for me. There was no passion, no anger, no disappointment in his voice; it sounded like he was reading off a cue card. I don't know what's going on inside Chris' head, but if his little speech is any indication of his level of enthusiasm for re-signing with the Raps, I'd say he's as good as gone.

Blogger's note: I think you're reading far, far too much into a 15-second statement over a microphone before a game.

chris

Re: the marion comparisons -- i'm not asking who might be available....just what other players in the league you think are like him.

Blogger's note: Like him? Hmm, there aren't a whole lot, actually, with the combination of athleticism, lack of the ability to create on the wing but above average defence and ability to track loose balls. Seriously, he's more than an "energy guy" like a Varejoa or a David Lee, he's less than a Lamar Odom. That's a tough skillset to duplicate.

AK

Denver has the 2nd best record in the west. But for Chauncey, they would be much lower or perhaps even out of the playoff picture. I think he should be in your top 5. I would consider punting Paul this year...

Eric

I wanted to say something about the Bosh deal. I'm not partial to him staying or going, whatever's best for the team. But the way he's handled the situation this year spurs a lot of questions about his leadership and his understanding of his team's needs (or lack thereof).

If I was Bosh- whether I was planning to stay, leave or neither- it would be my #1 priority to simply shelve the rumours for now!! Just say, with a smile on your face if possible (should have been on Sunday) "This season has been terrible but you know what, if we can turn it around next year and have a great season there's no place I'd rather play!" That's it!.. No commitment to one side or the other, just kill the cloud! THAT'S leadership!

Instead he just lets the cloud hover. I'm guessing he doesn't want to "dignify speculation with a response" but at some point he has to realize that the cloud is hurting his team's prospects for next season. There's enough negative energy around the ACC without having a seemingly malcontent leader slump his shoulders whenever he's asked about the future. I'm already tired of hearing the rumours and concerns from paranoid fans...... I can only imagine how the team feels! Remaining silent is the last thing he should do. This town/media will eat him alive and it'll hurt the team.

Peter

According to your photo, it's not only Marion's shot that suffers from proper arm extension... it seems to be his celebrations that suffer too!

David

Maybe you can venture an opinion, Doug, on how the Wizards, with a minimum $75 million next season (plus luxury tax plus the salary of a top 5 draft pick) and owing money to Eddie Jordan, can come up with $4 million-plus for Flip Saunders? As for the Raptors, well, despite having a larger average attendance and higher ticket prices than the Wiz, it looks like we get a significantly smaller payroll than the season just ending and one of the lowest paid head coaches in the league.

I smell an organization that's decided to go cheap and screw its loyal fans.

Blogger's note: It's fairly obvious from the standings and the performance of some teams that there is absolutely no correlation between payroll, coaching salaries and on-court success. Let's see how the next year or so plays out.
Of course, I could point out that the Raptors have a payroll of almost $72 million, the salary of a top 10 pick to worry about and could very well pay Sam Mitchell $4 million next season.

Niru

With all due respect, your saying not one person on the raptors coaching staff had an idea of putting pressure on the ball handler on the last possession of the game....

Blogger's note: No, I don't know what went on in the huddle before that last possession for sure. But we all saw that Marion didn't do it.


brennan

i'm surprised, no one bashing/berating/cussing each other out over kobe vs. lebron. this has to be an internet first.

FK

I think KB24 is too low on your list Doug. All of the frequent arguments made for Lebron and Wade are valid, but the same arguments get lost on people when they talk about Kobe.

Yes, without Wade the Heat wouldn't have made the playoffs, no rebuttal. But, without Kobe, the Lakers would have gone about 49-32, and had to play out of the 6 or 7 seed in the West. Is Pau going to get the team past Denver or San Antonio without home court?

Yes, Lebron is a machine (and probably warrants top ranking) but its crazy that he gets accolades for doing it all himself, when Kobe used to do the same thing and get ripped for it.

Personality should not dictate rankings at the end of the season.

Danny

Wouldn't the stadium be replete with jerseys, rather than people being replete in jerseys?
They could be replete in jerseys if they had enough terrible stadium food, I guess...

John

Wait, what year was it that Kobe led his team to the best record in the NBA all by himself?

Daniel K.

James, Bryant, Billups, Howard, Paul

Wade shouldn't be seriously considered for the MVP. Miami is a mediocre team in a mediocre conference with a mediocre record. In the same way you don't win a finals MVP if you're the loser, you don't win the MVP playing for a team like that. Sure without Wade, Miami drops from 5th to maybe 8th (or misses the playoffs), but so what, they're irrelevant at 5th place anyway.

Rob.V

Most valuable Player nonsense:

The MVP is a subjective evaluation that is impossible to determine accurately. There is ZERO ability to determine that player A deserves it more than player B. Every team has an MVP and with different supporting casts (some good, some like the Raps) unless you took all those players and played them on the same team, for an entire season, how can anyone really make an argument (or agree on one) for a particular player.

D.Wade, Kobe, or LBJ are all legitimate and can be justified to some extent however so can others... this proves nothing really.

This is the same as trying to determine “best” picture of the year, or most deserving “song”, etc…

Maybe the importance is greater to the players (I understand this) however in this corner… it’s all quite a moot point really!. The politics and lobbying (I’m assuming there is lobbying of course) that surrounds selections is ridiculous.

I.E Why was Kobe more deserving than Kevin Garnett last season?. I’m not even sure if KG finished in the top 3 (Doug do you recall where KG finished last season?).

KG should have easily won the award for the following reasons:

A) He changed the entire culture of the team
B) He led the Celtics to the best record in the league (from near the worst the previous season)
C) They won the championship

There is no way Boston would have come close to where they were without him… and on and on the argument goes.

Nonsense.

The league should look to "define" what an MVP is. Maybe they already have criteria in place that I am not aware of.

Doug, does an MVP candidate have any criteria to meet or could you vote for Calvin Booth of the 16-65 Sacramento Kings?.

Blogger's note: There's no nomination list, I could vote for anyone in the league

Clarence E. Strange

I know he doesn't have the huge stats, but I wonder if Billups might get some MVP consideration, as a 4th or 5th guy on the ballot. He's made Denver into a legitimate contender (speaking of east coast bias, from watching national media in both countries one might think Denver didn't even exist in the NBA), IMO he might be the best PG in the game, nothing fancy, takes good shots, makes his shots, spreads the ball around and plays tenacious D. Paul and Williams put up the nice stat lines, but if I was building a team for the 09 playoffs and needed to choose one, I'd take Billups. He's come a long way from the guy Isiah picked up when Kenny Anderson didn't want to come north.

WSG

Agree with the MVP list. (LeBron has to be first, I’d say.)

I’d go with these for Coach of the Year:

Mike James – Cleveland Cavaliers

Nate McMillan – Portland Trailblazers

Phil Jackson – L.A. Lakers

Doc Rivers – Boston Celtics

George Karl – Denver Nuggets

Other considerations for me would be Rick Adelman (Houston Rockets), mostly because I don’t (for some reason) think of Houston as being as good as their 53 – 28 record says they are. And … as much as I’d like to get Jerry Sloan (Jazz) in there because I always enjoy the kind of game his team plays, regardless it seems, of who his players are, it’d be hard to justify at 48 – 33.

Mark L

Doug, my Raptors history is a bit fuzzy. Is there anyone on the current roster that was there when Alvin Williams was still on the team? Does anyone know him personally, aside from the training staff/management etc.

Blogger's note: Jose, Bosh, Joey were on the '05-06 team with Alvin

Thane

If the MVP was supposed to be about the best player, they'd call it the best player award. They don't.

It's about the player who is most valuable to that team - regardless of how well that team does. Bryant's an awesome player, but so are the rest of the Lakers; he's valuable, but is he the most valuable? I wouldn't put him in the top five.

I'm surprised Calderon isn't on that list, really. When he was injured, the Raps sank - when he's on, so are the Raptors. His injury is the nail that sunk their playoff hopes - he's clearly incredibly valuable to the Raptors.

WSG

Jumped the gun on CoY list, realized too late.

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