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February 19, 2009

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Peter

i have to say i don't know much about this guy, but why don't the Leafs give a good hard look to Tim Stapleton? looks like he's having a pretty good season with the Marlies but the Leafs never called him up yet...

robguy

Totally agree with your Mat's statement - I have always asked to no avail which example Leaf Fans point to with regards to mats and what he should have done to "help' the franchise.
While we are at it, the fans who are booing should consider the following; MLSE is smarter than everyone thinks. Clearly, many Leaf fans cannot handle a rebuilding situation. Aiming for 8th every year appeases these fans with false hope. Oddly, they boo Pogge, but never boo the many guys with no skills over the years who had hands of stone when receiving a pass or doing anything with the puck. but since they could drop their gloves, they get a pass.

Gary

The good thing about Tlusty is it's not just one game where he got 5 goals, he has been dominant for about a month now in the AHL.
Considering he didn't get his first goal until 9 games in, I think it's safe to say the time with the Marlies has been good for his development.
Time to send Kulemin down there as well so he can prove he deserves a spot on the roster.

Pete vh

Re tennis and steroids, Tony Boss:
Interestingly, this question appears to have been answered by the next questioner; "Bobby Orr preferred not to work out too much as it limited his movement". Tennis, at the professional level is all about movement. The players in this day and age are all lightning quick in order to run down as many balls as possible. With the possible exception of Rafael Nadal, all the top men's players have relatively slight builds (the former world #1, Roger Federer is a perfect example of that). This facilitates movement. The extra muscle (and accompanying weight) would be as much a hindrance as a help in this situation for most players. Yes I do remember Peter Korda but he had an exceptionally slight build, so it probably helped in his case.

Al

Who do you think Burke is trying to get by trade dead line if anyone. It is no doubt he will be extremely busy in the offseason. Do you think Frogren fit the Leafs plans for next year?

Conn Smythe

'On Wellwood, I watched him the other night against Calgary. He’s taking a regular shift and getting power play time, and he was robbed by Miikka Kiprusoff on an incredible third period save.'

Hmm, you can be on the 4th line and be getting a regular shift (somewhere he has spent some time on this year) - you've completely glossed over his fall from grace and the fact that he's been scratched a few times - but felt it necessary to rip Fletcher for not receiving anything of value for him and even ignoring Gillis sending him down to the minors.

Wellwood's a marginal player that has some offensive upside - that's it.

kenny

Thank you for the final note on Sundin. It's not the first time you've said it, and it probably won't be the last. I'm quite tired of how often the delusional "he screwed us over" argument comes up. I'd like to think it's just a vocal, blog-commenting minority, but I fear there are many Leaf fans out there who feel this way. And using Saturday's game as a litmus test is pointless, since it's debatable whether half the people at the ACC are actual fans anyway.

2nd Guess

I couldn't agree with you more re Mats Sundin. It's obvious a great number of knucklehead Leaf fans have always looked for reasons to dislike him -- from being traded for their beloved Wendel Clark to being Swedish.

Their favourite gripes leave me breathless:

1) Being a traitor for refusing to waive a no-trade clause -- and then leaving. Where in the contract did it say the clause should only be exercised at the team's convenience? (And why does Leafs management get a free pass for including said clause in the deal?) And after 13 exemplary seasons in Toronto, do you blame a 37-year-old for finally realizing he was in a dead-end situation?

2) He was an overpaid mercenary. At $9 million per season, Sundin probably WAS grossly overpaid. But did any of the Leaf Nation geniuses grouse about Tie Domi getting $2-plus mil per?

3) He was a lousy captain. Sure, much better to put the C on a 6-goal scorer who goes into corners, drops the gloves and grunts sporadic hostilities at media -- rather than your annual leading scorer who eloquently shows up for comment every day, in good times and bad.

Geoff Read

Damien and Kenny have it right Leafs' fans: Mats Sundin was classy all of the time, good most of the time, and great some of the time. He was clearly the Leafs' best player for over a decade, and Toronto fans should be thankful he skated for so long in the blue and white. Show some class Leafs' fans and cheer the man tonight.

Leafs14

With respect to the potential of steroids in tennis ... didn't John McEnroe (who was the ultimate finesse player, notwithstanding his serve and volley game) admit to using steroids, or was that just an accusation of his ex-wife? Also, you implied above that Jose Theordore was "caught cheating?" He was found to be using Propecia, which is a medically prescribed hair growing drug (with absolutely no performance enhancing issues other than the dating scene). It is used as a "masking agent," I've read, but in Theodore's case I think the context and circumstances proved it was 100% vanity, nothing to do with his on ice performance. I thought it was a tad unfair to include his name in the context of "testing positive" in terms of willful cheating.

Peter

i think Sundin was getting something like $5.5M last year. that was a pretty goot value for money. i don't think he was overpaid for a minute.

Jake

The hate that some fans have for Sundin is almost comparable to Vince Carter. The difference is Sundin didn't do anything near what Carter did. Carter dogged for the Raptors, whined, complained and demanded a trade. Sundin was everything you could ask for from a hockey player. The fact Toronto, that prides itself on having the best and most passionate fans can't even show some respect to one of their best in franchise history, is a disgrace. If Sundin gets booed outta the building, you Toronto fans would be just terrible and don't deserve to get any stars to play for you guys.

Steve

Fans can boo whoever they want, when they want, for whatever reason they want. This is the one area in which they have control. The fans decide who the heroes are (usually point getters, but sometimes others) and who the 'bums' are (usually the under-performers or the disrespecting athlete).

Like it or not, many Leaf fans feel Sundin falls into the latter category, despite his numbers - isn't that the beauty of it all? You simply can't just put up numbers. The intangibles are where it's at here.

He was never a good leader or captain. Toronto loves their warrior captains and he never was. It took him probably 8 or 9 years to be accepted and even then, reluctantly. He wasn't good with the media - always depressingly boring.

Other than the occasional meaningful goal, what really is there to cheer here? Thank him for pulling us through 14 mostly dreadful years (or blame him?). That's a little much for $70 million. A draft pick WOULD have been nice.

nugentmania

I'm certainly not a Brian Burke fan, but I agree with his breakdown of offensive (top 6) and sandpaper (bottom 6) forwards. Stajan and Williams fit neither.

gthomson

Sundin did not screw anyone over. He used his clause as he saw fit, and definitely for honorable reasons. I have no ill will against him, but I still think a 'hockey first' kind of guy would have scoped the situation and played a few games elsewhere. That's the key to me, its not 'why' but 'why not'? A lot of lower salaried specialized folks do things because it benefits their employer more than them - that's just being a good employee.

I disagree with Steve in some respects - letting Toronto fans argue the 'intangibles' is what has us here now (how Domi wasn't booed every time he got on the ice boggles my mind .. oh, it was the 'intangibles') .. Sundin put up the numbers, was a good captain by all accounts, wasn't surely, and was the absolute model of consistency, the likes of which no Toronto fan had seen in decades. Yet it still seems strange to me that he didn't opt to be traded to another team last year. He must have known it was coming, why not do it when you can pay back a little more to your team? It's almost like that decision of his conflicts with how I perceived him.

Mr Wood

Fletcher blew it when he discussed Sundin's future in the media.

Sure Sundin would have been devasted last year when he was asked to move on. Yet I also feel he would have helped the Leafs somehow get a return in the off season if Fletcher hadn't polraized the issue in public.

Imagine coming home and your wife has put a sign on the front lawn that says "I'm looking for a younger man. I've asked my husband to leave but he won't."

You're not exactly going to buy her roses.

Boo the management. Sundin never quibbled publicly about contract terms or the mamnagemnt or his fellow players. He gave the Leafs leadership and class until his last game in the blue & white.


Rob Frost

Pogge's development last year was hindered severely by Greg Gilbert with the Marlies. When they made the playoffs last year, he decided to go with Scott Clemmensen (who has taken off with NJ) instead of playing Pogge despite the fact that they had similar numbers during the regular season. Gilbert seemed to forget that the Marlies are supposed to be a developmental team for the Leafs. Therefore, Pogge should have played every game. The experience would have been huge at this point in Pogge's development. As far as I am concerned, Fletcher should have told Gilbert to play him. Fletcher then should have fired Gilbert at the end of playoffs when he didnt (except for a few games). I am not guaranteeing that Pogge would have got them any further but the bottom line is, the experience would have great for Pogge, win or lose. Ultimately, that is what the Marlies and the AHL are there for.

Pete

How embarassing that some of our so-called fans trash Sundin now. You want someone to blame? How about years of mis-management? Sundin signed a no-trade clause in his contract because he wanted to stay here. He was loyal through a lot of lean years, never criticized the powers that be who would not or could not put a decent team around him. He just kept going out and played, gave his honest effort every night, and did the best with what linemates he had. Then his decade-plus of loyalty was rewarded by the team trying to renege on the contract they gave him. Even then he still wanted to stay, until sometime late last year when he finally woke up and realized the Leafs did not love him like he loved the Leafs. For me, thank you Mats Sundin for years of great memories, and all the best!

Hairless Fosdick

Ha, had almost forgotten the name "Petr Korda!" Never imagined I'd see him mentioned in this spot. Who's next, Michael Stich??
Johnny Mac admitted in his bio that he tried party drugs back at the turn of the 70s/80s, not 'roids. Totally different. It was part of the lifestyle of the rich and famous back then.
Theodore used that hair product likely because of alopecia areata, a condition I have that leaves me with embarrassing bald patches on my scalp, which results in me keeping my hair longer than I normally would, so as to cover up, or "combover," the bald spots. One of the creams my dermatologist prescribed contained some type of corticosteroid, so I was not surprised when I heard Theo's doctor explaining it.

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