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June 30, 2009

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James

What about Stempniak and Hagman??? With all of these possible leaf signings you're leaving these two star players without roster spots. Now, speaking seriously, do you think we can trade these guys for a bag of pucks and freeing up cap space?

Calvin

Instead of trying to trade Kaberle for Kessel. What about signing him to an offer sheet? He's an RFA and we know that Boston has some cap issues. He's young and has more potential.

Atchinator

The perception, by the disillusioned and insular hockey fans of Toronto, is that the Sedins are soft and are not worth 5.5 million a year.
Fans of Western conference teams know that 5.5 mil for a Sedin is a fantastic deal - just not over 12 years.
Each Sedin averaged exactly a point a game last season and played every single game. Additionally, the had a very good +/-, better than Zetterberg who they've been (unfavourably) compared to lately.
As for softness, OK, they never drop the gloves. But, as someone who's seen a lot of Canucks games, they take a lot of hits and don't shy away from the corners. They're strong as hell and control the puck in the opposing end as good as anyone in the league.
But I guess the wide-eyed, moron fans of Toronto have made their minds up about Swedes.

Charlie

Based on the success of Columbus this past year, how do you(Damien) figure Columbus won't make a serious offer to keep the face of their young upstart franchise. Sure it would be great if the Leafs could save some cap space for him, but with the money he will be offered from Columbus, how can the Leafs possibly afford Nash and the Sedin Sisters? We are in the 16-20 million dollar range for 3 players! Not to mention the need for a bona fide tender too!
How much money will Gustavsson be earning(before he has even proven he can play in the NHL)?
A lot of the players you mentioned are also pretty old, I thought this team was supposed to be getting younger? Most of which have proven very little.

ray b

Say it ain't so...Sedin Twins in Toronto?..I thought we were going to build through youth?..This would be no different then what Ferguson was doing when he was GM..Signing players for the short term..These guys are almost 30 and want way too much money..This deal would give us 5 players with lousy contracts...Finger, Blake, Kubina and now the twins?..Go for the North American players Burke...We don't need more Swedes..

Ryan

re: ray b

The Sedin twins have been putting up just as many points as Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Crosby, Heatley... There are only a hand full of players in the NHL who have averaged 80pts or higher since the lockout and guess what, BOTH TWINS have. Having the two of them would be a significant upgrade. Especially if they are signed for 4-5 years. Instant Offense. Why have one guy who scores 90 pts a year when you can sign TWO guys who score 80pts + per year. I'd take two Elite Players over one any day.

As for checking line players... One name comes to mind... BIG BERTUZZI.

Will Smith

Atchinator,
The reason we do not want the Sedins in Toronto is not because of their nationality.Toronto was a pioneer in bringing Europeans to the NHL.Guess you are just ignorant of history.Why would anyone sign these two guys to huge long term contracts when if one of them gets hurt the others play is diminished.Its like having two players injured at the same time.They also have a tendency to disappear in the playoffs even a dimwitted vancouver fan should know this.

kyle

Why not sign Greg Zanon or Johny Oduya on defense? I don't want the Leafs to be big spenders this summer; save money for 2010. Travis Moen or another grinder is ideal. If we get a scorer i hope its Cammalleri on a home town discount instead of the twins.

Parkie

Dear god no! Please avoid the panty waist Sedins...

Atchinator

Will Smith,
The number of blue and white jersy wearing, Tim Hortons swilling baffoons that believe the Sedins shouldn't be signed simply because they're Swedish is pretty amusing. I mean, there's Toronto fans that still call them "the sisters"? That's a little old but I guess you have to expect that from the residents of Canada's answer to Cleveland.
The times they've "disappeared" in the playoffs have been, coincidentally, times that Vancouvers "first" line was injury plagued and opposing defense could focus on the Sedin line specifically. This years run, you could argue that they played as well as anyone else on the team. That said, I don't think the Leafs need to be too concerned about going deep in the playoffs. They need to be concerned with just making the playoffs and the Sedins will definitely help them with that.
You also don't need to worry about one of them getting hurt because...they don't get hurt.
But we can agree, a 10-12 year contract doesn't seem like a good idea at 5.5-6 million a year

BleedingWhiteandBlue

Pass on the Sedin Sisters. Colton Orr is a good hard player to protect our boys rather than having Luke fight our fights.

Baltic Thunder

You got to love it when rich teams get to retool via their chequebook. Luckily for professional hockey, deep pockets and intelligence are usually diametric opposites.

MJ

@Calvin

Signing Kessel to an offer sheet may not be a good idea since the larger the contract, the more picks Toronto has to give up if the Bruins don't match and choose to receive compensation. I'd be totally up for swapping Kaberle for Kessel straight up though.

saviour

hmm i must agree, the addition next summer of nash could be huge, but i am also intersted with the twins, these guys can really play, and i feel that ohlund would be a nice fit in leafs uniformm

Johnny Bravo

I am not sure why the massive hate for the Sedins. Here are the stats for the past 4 years:
Daniel: 327 games (1 game missed)118 goals, 193 assists, 311 points
Henrik: 328 games (0 games missed)65 goals, 249 assists, 314 points
Point a game scorers with great durability despite playing against the other teams top defense. In comparison here is Mats Sundin's stats the past 4 years:
260 games (average of 9 games missed/year) 99 goals, 161 assists, 260 points
This team is devoid of anyone who can consistently put points on the board. Heck, maybe Poni is the perfect guy to pair with these 2 and he could pot 30 goals?!? Anson Carter did it!
Would you rather have Jason Blake Jr - aka Mike Cammalleri?

Conn Smythe

The number of blue and white jersy wearing, Tim Hortons swilling baffoons that believe the Sedins shouldn't be signed simply because they're Swedish is pretty amusing. I mean, there's Toronto fans that still call them "the sisters"? That's a little old but I guess you have to expect that from the residents of Canada's answer to Cleveland.

Thanks for coming out, atchinator - if Toronto is Canada's answer to Cleveland, what does that make Vancouver? Buffalo! Reagrdless of how good the Sedin sisters are, I wouldn't want them - let them stay in Vancouver and shine in the regular season. They are good players - but not game breakers.

Steve

If you check out my blog... which is a Leafs blog mind you... you'd observe that at least a few "wide eyed, moron Leafs fans" actually have zero problem with them going after the Sedins.

http://leafs.hockeyanalysis.com

Facewash

uhh, Baltic Thunder... you have heard about the salary cap, haven't you? Each team has just as much as the other to retool with, it's how you use it.

Steve C.

Damien, if you think that the Sedins would be a good fit for this team (this city?) then you have exposed yourself once and for all as being completely irrelevant to Toronto hockey fans. Burke has been here less than a year and he has already shown he's more in touch with this market than you.

That Nonis would pursue them out of a perceived vendetta is simply ridiculous.

Like it or not, Leaf fans would rather LOSE with hard-nosed Canadian players than win soft, uninterested (if skilled) foreigners. Besides, that experiment has failed miserably hasn't it?

MattM

Colton Orr - a good player? He cost Tom Renny his job - 9 minutes a game some nights - sorry Damien but you have to be a better judge of talent than that. Is it a coincidence that the Rangers pulled out of their funk once Torterella starting rolling three lines instead of four? Orr is a good fighter, no question but he cant play more than three minutes a game. In my estimation McGrattan brings way more to the table than Orr or Peters especially since he usually tees off on them when they go., plus he has more ability than people give him credit for.

Terry O'Shaugnessy

Why do the Sedins have to play for the same team? Are they conjoined twins?

Atchinator

BleedingWhiteandBlue says:
"Pass on the Sedin Sisters. Colton Orr is a good hard player to protect our boys rather than having Luke fight our fights."

Typical Leafs fan. This joker would probably love to see Darcy Tucker back too.

kenny

I agree with Atchinator's assessment of the twins. They've proven to be durable (games played per season), consistent (points scored), and rugged (they generate goals by cycling in the corners and behind the net). Considering their stats, the yearly pay their agent is asking for is reasonable; the main sticking point is the length of the deal, especially considering their age. That's one of the two big reasons why I am not too hot on Burke signing them.

The other reason is that by merely being here, the twins will attract -- and force me endure -- 12 years of xenophobic, homophobic, and/or misinformed assessments of their abilities by all my fellow Leafs fans on a daily basis. "No more Swedes", "the Sedin sisters", "panty waist Sedins"... Burke was right: we have the greatest hockey fans in Toronto.

p.s. Atchinator, I've never heard the "Canada's answer to Cleveland" insult before. I got a good chuckle from that...

LeafManInRoch

Atchinator: What are "baffoons"? Only a buffoon can't spell. :)

Since next year is Burke's first full rebuilding year, I agree that managing salary is a key component, and that 2010-11 will be year of a diminished cap when we can probably get some bargains.

Gionta would be intriguing but doesn't seem to fit the profile Burke has in mind. Please no Andrew Peters, he is one dimensionsal and I hear enough bytching from Sabres fans already, aka the Buffalo Buffoons

Bold Bravado

Could we maybe sign 1 Sedin? Incidentally, Atchinator, you state that the Sedins became invisible "when Vancouver’s "first" line was injury plagued and opposing defense could focus on the Sedin line specifically". Wow what a roaring endorsement, where do you think they will fit in TO, the 2nd or 3rd lines. Not likely for that money. I'd be suiting Mike Cammalleri, Colton Orr and a couple of fringe players, Mike Komisarek and Francois Beaucheminwould fit nicely, although Komisarek has a short "best before date".
Additionally with regard to Stempniak and Hagman, minors for Stempniak awaiting a trade and Hagman gets a shot at being a first line player.

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