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May 05, 2008

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Sporty

Sorry, but the streamers are bush league. It perpetuates the notion that soccer fans are puerile. If people in Canada find the MLS bush league, start your own league.

Jonathan

Bush league is also:
- having teams named after a crap beverage or third-rate donut shop
- grid-iron lines on the pitch
- a staggering lack of professional officiating
- a league braintrust so delusional that they think they'll built dedicated support by targeting the family unit.

Targeting streamers (we're not the only ground that does it, just the only one that does it in numbers) seems a case of jealousy more than anything else. This league, though better than it was 10 years ago, has more pressing priorities.

alex

I have to agree there are about 100 things in front of streamers the league should worry about (if at all) before this.
The streamers will die eventually, but there will still be plenty of things making the atmosphere at the park great, and plenty of people like "sporty" who will be hating on our success.

Jason Ohashi

Hey Morgan,
I made a comment in Feb. 25 about the pan pacific cup and you replied by saying that the j-league was mid-way through their season and used that as an excuse for their domination. Well right now i'm living in japan and i asked my brother (who also lives in japan) about when the season starts in j-league. apparently it's the same as the MLS in terms of timing and he said the pan pacific cup was a pre-season game for Osaka Gamba too. So, you know, they were in the same situation. Just to let you know.

nima m

get over the streamers, they're here to stay

Dave Muncaster

As a massive football fan and ardent TFC supporter, I have to say the streamers are bush league. If it was a cup final maybe, but what self respecting league in Europe does that on a regular basis? It's more reminiscent of something out of South America or Eastern Europe (obviously an over-generalization) where you're also afraid of getting stabbed or worse at the game. Let's stick to our awesome songs and scarves to rock BMO.

Cashcleaner

We have yet to hear a single complaint coming from the TFC players themselves about the streamers at BMO Field. Maybe if orwhen that happens the fans will respect their opinion and hold off with the streamers. Until that day, however, expect to see them as a mainstay at BMO Field.

adrianojuventino

No big deal. Streamers are part of the fun and maybe they are juvenile but then so is our franchise.
There's nothing wrong in feeling we're a miniature Bombonera !
As has been pointed out there are many more serious issues with MLS but the most serious one I think is the refereeing.It is just brutal and it's about time that sports writers who cover MLS start writing about this.

Hal

Wibon is irrelevant. If streamers go it will because the league sees no reason to allow for them. Personally, I would like to see streamers go.

What's bush league is a guy passes himself off as a journalist by watching a highlight reel and then passing ardent judgment as though he's King Solomon. Now that's bush league journalism. Plain and simple.

Morgan Campbell

Eeeaaassy there, Hal!

WIlbon is far form bush league. He's one of the top columnists out there, and it's been that way for a few years now. He's just not a guy, apparently, who watches a whole lot of soccer. Two years ago I might have said the same thing about streamers, but now that I've been out to the games and watched countless hours of GolTV and Fox Sports World I know they're not that big a deal...

Is he opinionated? Yes. That's why he makes the big bucks.

Uninformed? Probably. Washington Post has a very good reporter covering MLS, so it's not like WIlbon has much reason to follow the league.

But bush league?

Not at all...

AND I would imagine that part of the allure of throwing streamers is that, positive or negative, it provokes a strong reaction....which it has clearly done with Wilbon

Hal

OK, Morgan. Maybe I wasn’t clear. Perhaps we can start by defining terms. Let’s agree that the term bush league implies below major league, or unprofessional?

I think that you would agree that a good sports journalist investigates then reports. Otherwise he/she belongs with the rest of us in op-ed. The ESPN Pardon This Interruption (PTI) really is op-ed. PTI is not journalism. It is usually an editorial rant masquerading as journalism/sports reporting.

Footie friendly countries like Argentina, Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO0fY4xIGq8) and others allow and, at times, even encourage streamers in their professional soccer leagues. I can assure you that professional soccer in these countries is not bush league. I recognize that not all sports writers understand soccer. But if Wibon had paid attention in journalism school, he would have been remembered that professionally accredited journalists do their homework.

I’m embarrassed for ESPN and sports journalists who regularly editorialize rather than report and investigate. When reporters use blogs and highlight reels as their only sources of information then repackage the material and call it news, they mislead the public. They are, in fact, merely conduits or channels. Not journalists.

If someone wants to merely report the facts then he or she is a reporter. If someone wants to add value to information then they should show journalistic integrity and investigate the information properly to provide added value to the original information – that would make them a journalist.

For instance, you - Mr. Campbell, take the necessary steps to provide additional value to the information you find. I would call you professional.

With all due respect Morgan; Wibon did neither. He was not professional. He was bush league.

TFClifer

This is ridiculous. There are so many other issues with this league that streamers shouldn't even be a topic. On the other hand it appears that streamers are putting MLS and TFC on the map. Negativley, yes. Would we have other coverage if it didn't exist, I think not. It's all part of the electricity and one day it will die off. That is, when the MLS gets its priorities in order and starts marketing to the true fans of the world game and not just the families in the burbs.

Skinn

Agree with your post one hundred percent Morgan, but don't have your back on Wilbon, and on ESPN in general actually--it's basically devolved into a sports entertainment network, not a sports and sports news network. His job is to push buttons and be outrageous, hyperbolic, and opinionated. You're right--that is exactly why he's paid the big bucks. Having the opinions is only second to him being opinionated and loud. Occasionally he has something of value to say, but on ESPN those moments are few and far between.

I understand your kneejerk reaction to defend colleagues like Wilbon and Cathal Kelly, but there's good informed sports journalism and then there's other stuff...

M Phillips

While my seats are not near the corners so I am not a streamer thrower I suspect streamer throwing allows fans to feel just a bit more empowered to being able to impact the outcome and so help their team. Since this can be argued that it could present an unfair advantage to the side not being streamered in time we will likely see it abolished. When it is some fans will use other means to influence the outcome. This could involve chucking pennies, batteries or whatever they can sneak in and get away with. This behavior will only continue if they can get away with it either because security or other fans are not able to make this behavior either "uncool" or susceptible if caught to heavy duty penalties. I like it myself because I know it is giving us an advantage and I am keen to see our team prevail.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otnzNiGHgdE&eurl=http://www.crewunion.com/alpha/

So when we do it, it's bush league.... when Columbus emulates us and throws in smoke bombs to boot its...........?

bystander

Wow, Hal, what a well written response :)

I think the streamers are old but not bush league...

Thane

So if streamers are bush league, what does that make throwing squid? We're looking at you, Red Wings...

LeoSC

Instead of streamers, we could throw toilet paper, which is, basically, a colorless, thicker streamer! Sporty seems to have been holding on for too long, once he visits the can he'll feel so much better. Obviously if Wilbon and Lebatarb dedicated so much time to the streamers, we're doing our job, TFC fans! The other team feels harrased, that is precisely the point.

El Magnifico

Streamers Schmeamers!
When was the last time PTI ever mentioned TFC, MLS, or soccer/football in general?
What's bush league is calling yourself a sports reporter and then ignoring the number one sport on the planet!

Pete Z

pff, Wilbon should stick to sports he actually knows. It's been said before, but 'bush league' would be bandying opinions about a sport that you really have no knowledge of.

As for the streamers, it's funny to see opposing players get covered in them. Can't wait for Beckham's first corner @ BMO.

Is it bush league? No.
Is it getting tired? yeah, slightly.

Doug W.

With respect Morgan, being a graduate of "the world's greates j-school" does not translate to good soccer journalism. I give you a lot of credit for doing your homework, but it's a steep learning curve, especially if you have not grown up with the game. An article on streamers is interesting, but not exactly riveting. As a previous poster mentioned, there are many other issues to tackle. For me, the inconsistent standard of refereeing in the MLS would be a good place to start.

Cheers
Doug

Timmy

As long as the best young players leave to play in Europe, how can you think of this league as anything but bush?

Dan

Sorry Morgan, but Missouri is the first and still the best journalism school in the world.

BeautifulFC

I like streamers. If players are not going to be showered by money in the MLS at the very least they should be allowed to experience the joy of being showered by colourful, swirling paper of another kind. There is a beautiful symbiosis in this. People are just taking pot-shots at the best run team in the MLS. I say more streamers next game. And more goals like the Velez header on that beautiful ball from Robert. And more wins. And someday soon, a trophy. And then...more streamers.

Van Beuren

One of the best articles you've written Morgan, excellent arguements. I'm sick of narrow minded critics going overboard with regards to the streamers. These team coloured tissue papers are expressive and mostly harmless. Keep fighting the good fight, you've got a good perspective for the rational Toronto FC fan. Cheers!

Lawrence

To be honest, I don't like the streamers. I think it is stupid the league allows the game (of which corner kicks are a part) to be manipulated by the fans. Cheer, sing, toss stuff in the crowd, whatever.

But when the whistle blows, that field is a sacred battlefield, with only the players and refs allowed on it. Not shtuff from the crowd.

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