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May 28, 2008

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Steve

One would think that based on the camera angle and it's position so close to the field, that it would be quite easy to figure out just where the epithets were being sent from. The guy that posted it on YouTube was obviously the one shooting the video, and he's obviously "proud" of what was said. This is a bit more "out there" than someone throwing food on the field, or shouting from far up in the stands. This is obviously someone that wants others to HEAR and SEE what sort of idiotic things they have to say.

Find out who he is and ban him... contact YouTube and try to get info about it out of them even... it can't be that hard.

Broadview

If you check the profile page of the kid who posted that clip, you'll see a blatantly racist clip among the poster's "favourites". It shouldn't be too hard for the Crew FO to figure out that "David" is likely a STH as he seems to sit in the 1st or second row of the supporters section right at the goal line.

http://youtube.com/user/gman8908

I imagine he'll be banned from Crew Stadium, and rightly so.

The epithet in question didn't even happen during a streamer shower anyway, it happened after a PK was taken and a go ahead goal was scored on the follow-up.

The argument that throwing streamers was the "gateway" to hurling racial slurs is mind boggling to a TFC fan...how many streamers have been chucked at BMO and how many racial slurs have been heard?

Proof's in the pudding, I say.

Nick

If the MLS wants to gain any credibility, do what other the top football leagues would do: fine the team and/or have one of the CREW's future home games played at a neutral site or with no fans.

voislav

What they should have is better crowd control, simply have a couple of cameras monitoring the crowd so it's easy to ban any offenders. That's why you have tickets, so it's easy to match a person with their seat.

I think that the league should be carefull here, because if they take drastic measures (like banning streamers) they might alienate portions of already small group of supporters. Right now, one of their main selling points is the atmosphere created by fans, without that all that's left is mediocre product on the field. Frankly, for a fraction of the price you can have the same on-field entertainment value from the USL.

charade

Just a bit off topic but but I do think something is going to have to be done about the amount of stuff getting thrown on the field during games.

At the last TFC game I was in the supporters section and it was all well and good till about the 70th minute when people began to randomly throw near full cups and hot dogs etc on the field.

I do have to say I do think to an *extent* the throwing of streamers does contribute to this a little bit by *somewhat* breaking down the 'it's wrong to throw objects' wall.

To me it appears so far that security has been letting people get away with this. Perhaps because, as mentioned, they dont want to p-off fans with a league that is still trying to find it's feet in some ways.

I'm going to bring in hockey here for a moment but if anyone remembers Maple Leaf Gardens, if an usher saw you throw anything you were given the bum's rush immediately.

I do think the MLS should clearly draw the line at streamers and make it clear that any other objects will mean ejection AND ENFORCE IT.

I also dont think it would hurt to tell away teams to keep the celebrations away from the sidelines

I also think this stuff has been going on for ages and it's a sign of our cell phone camera age that it happened to be caught.

I also must say that at the last game I was at I heard a home fan yell a mild racial slur at Velez after he missed a chance. He was shouted down by another fan which was nice but I get the impression some people are leaning towards a 'it was a dumb American' position and it's not as cut-and-dry as that so don't even go there.

Rob

Want to bet that one of the first things on their list of banned items (if it is not already on the list at most stadiums) will be video recording devices? It's difficult for any league to police the conduct of each and every one of its fans, down to the level of what is coming out of their mouths - and truthfully, I'm not sure it's their responsibility anyway. But they can, and most certainly will, put measures in place to make it more difficult for such embarrassing videos to get out of the stadium.

And then the second restriction will likely be on the size of beer sold at games - I'll bet our days of 28oz. cups of cold frothy beer are numbered - similar to the restrictions MLSE already has in place at the ACC.

Now, when I say it's not the league's responsibility to police the speech of fans I'm certainly not suggesting that what was said was anywhere near acceptable. The league, and more so each stadium and team, is responsible for ensuring a safe and enjoyable atmosphere, as best they can. But I think we as fans also old a responsibility to say "hey, that's not cool bro."

And if this fan in Columbus really was in the supporters section, I sure hope the supporters club has a clear statement on what is and is not acceptable conduct for members. Does anyone know if the Red-Patch Boys or U-Sector have such statements?

Michael Phillips

Our squad, our fan base, our country is made up of people from all parts of the world.

I hope that we do not experience such an act in our stadium. While I am not black I cringe everytime I hear the "n" word so I can only imagine just how bad it must make a person who is black feel.

The last thing we want is for anything to happen that would make our squad, our fan base or the great people, people who have come from all parts of the world or whose ancestors have lived here since the dawn of recorded time, that make up our country feel bad. Life is too short for that, soccer is too wonderful a game to so dishonor and it is just not right. It is embarrassing to be part of a society where even one individual thinks superiority is a matter of skin color, or religion or whatever. WTF cares.

Re: streamers, I must admit they make me chuckle but once again if someone could get injured or if fools are going to try and disguise other more harmful objects in a streamer toss then it is time to ban them.

Matt

I think Morgan has hyper-analyzed this too much.

One bad fellow, or a few bad fellows yelling stupid racist taunts does not require league action whatsoever. Its up to thepeople surrounding the culprits to speak out and shun those who make such ridiculous remarks. We can't always expect authorities to bring justice to such small instances.

I really think Morgan should be asking fans to self-police themselves, like any self-respecting person should. If you see someone throw something like food or a bottle, then tell them they're being stupid. If they are being racist, call them out. You will most likely get tonnes of support from around you.

Policing the words from the crowd is the last thing MLS needs to spend time doing.

Hal

You are simply wrong here.

"One bad fellow, or a few bad fellows yelling stupid racist taunts does not require league action whatsoever."

No way. This cannot be tolerated in any form. A clear message must be sent fans and teams alike.

Hal

And now it looks like the league agrees with me.

"US soccer promises to ban racist fan - if they find him"

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ij3nIATrPb-fJCcL9xvLVTE0lrqg

rob enderle

Boohoo, cry me a river.
Play hockey and you'll see the things we'll call your mom while she was pulling the train.
Sticks and stones... There are kinds of people in the world, there are perverts, addicts, lawyers, pimps, politicians, drug dealer, cops, sadists and all kinds of dregs. What are you going to do ? Change the whole world?

This has nothing to do with TFC or ever MLS, go fight those battles elsewhere,

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